4G63 cylinder head port design(tumble port)
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:31 am
First I would like to say I started surfing this forum and it has inspired me to do what I am doing to this cylinder head. The knowledge on this forum is beyond anything I have known before and its such a great group of guys that are willing to share. I unfortunately don't have data on my old head I did.
I have been playing with the 4g63 for a while. Mind you I am 25 years old but it has been pretty much my only platform that I have pursued since I was 18. Years back I ported a head not knowing what I was really doing, just having the thought in my head that I would like to see more of the valve opening looking down the port entrance. What I essentially did was destroy the SSR and lifted the entrance to the gasket. This was a "2g head" that has a raised port and a rectangular port entrance vs the "1g head" that has a much larger port.
That engine I built was a compound turbocharged 2.3L stroker with a 1.5 RR/ 9.5:1 cr and a 272 advertised 226 @ 1mm with 11mm of lift. I ran a stock converter and was able to stall it in about 5 secs if the weather was decent and build pretty much what ever psi I wanted. The engine was very responsive and trapped 140 in the 1/4 at 37ish PSI. I was told that the head did not follow good methods and I should sell it to do a 1g head. I sold that head to a friend and he said once he put it on it was like night and day. More responsive and more powerful but again.... No data
The next year was hell for me and I ended up selling it all and moved onto a newer engine design which is the evolution head. In between the compound car and this car I worked for a shop that had a very experienced porter. We worked on just doing a simple short side clean up and a slight change in the port design in the throat area and some clean up on the exhaust. When I dyno'd the car back to back we saw very little gains. Almost an identical power curve but picked up about 8hp or so at 400whp.
This really got me thinking about the tumble port theory vs the short side theory. I have an EXTRMEMELY hard time finding back to back cylinder head tests on the web but it sure is easy to find some CFM numbers. My old head seemed to perform so well even though it followed "no one I can find on the webs" port design.
This leads to today! I came across a head that needed some work. Broke some valves off and had a dance party in the combustion chamber but sounds like a perfect opportunity to me. I started dropping out the floor of the port essentially deleting the short side that was there. Mindset is to make the air move over the top of the valve and not worry so much about the little short side that I have left. I don't have access to a flow bench but maybe in the future I could purchase one my self. I bought some silicon to mold the intake port to see whats going on and this is what I have.
This cylinder head is going on my evo for dyno testing. It is going to run a 70mm turbo putting out a max of 110 lbs a min( roughly 1500cfm) with a 290 adv 235@ .050 and 11.5mm lift.
Questions I have are the roof and the throat.. It seems like it sandwiches right before the port split and gets rather large around the bowl area. I can either raise the roof to try to get a better volume change or I can leave that and fill in the roof of the port with an epoxy.
Throat measurement- 1.275 diameter(pre valve job) considering maybe a 1mm over valve to compliment the tumble effect
Guide measurement- 1.185x.965
splitter measurment- 1.185x.990
Pre splitter- 2.050x .900
The valves undercut diameter is .225 and half way up the tulip is .360. I wonder how you take that into account when trying to do volume calculations. When the valve is closed the ports volume is less and as the valve moves the volume increases.
Thanks for looking and hope to share the data I learn as i learn it
I have been playing with the 4g63 for a while. Mind you I am 25 years old but it has been pretty much my only platform that I have pursued since I was 18. Years back I ported a head not knowing what I was really doing, just having the thought in my head that I would like to see more of the valve opening looking down the port entrance. What I essentially did was destroy the SSR and lifted the entrance to the gasket. This was a "2g head" that has a raised port and a rectangular port entrance vs the "1g head" that has a much larger port.
That engine I built was a compound turbocharged 2.3L stroker with a 1.5 RR/ 9.5:1 cr and a 272 advertised 226 @ 1mm with 11mm of lift. I ran a stock converter and was able to stall it in about 5 secs if the weather was decent and build pretty much what ever psi I wanted. The engine was very responsive and trapped 140 in the 1/4 at 37ish PSI. I was told that the head did not follow good methods and I should sell it to do a 1g head. I sold that head to a friend and he said once he put it on it was like night and day. More responsive and more powerful but again.... No data
The next year was hell for me and I ended up selling it all and moved onto a newer engine design which is the evolution head. In between the compound car and this car I worked for a shop that had a very experienced porter. We worked on just doing a simple short side clean up and a slight change in the port design in the throat area and some clean up on the exhaust. When I dyno'd the car back to back we saw very little gains. Almost an identical power curve but picked up about 8hp or so at 400whp.
This really got me thinking about the tumble port theory vs the short side theory. I have an EXTRMEMELY hard time finding back to back cylinder head tests on the web but it sure is easy to find some CFM numbers. My old head seemed to perform so well even though it followed "no one I can find on the webs" port design.
This leads to today! I came across a head that needed some work. Broke some valves off and had a dance party in the combustion chamber but sounds like a perfect opportunity to me. I started dropping out the floor of the port essentially deleting the short side that was there. Mindset is to make the air move over the top of the valve and not worry so much about the little short side that I have left. I don't have access to a flow bench but maybe in the future I could purchase one my self. I bought some silicon to mold the intake port to see whats going on and this is what I have.
This cylinder head is going on my evo for dyno testing. It is going to run a 70mm turbo putting out a max of 110 lbs a min( roughly 1500cfm) with a 290 adv 235@ .050 and 11.5mm lift.
Questions I have are the roof and the throat.. It seems like it sandwiches right before the port split and gets rather large around the bowl area. I can either raise the roof to try to get a better volume change or I can leave that and fill in the roof of the port with an epoxy.
Throat measurement- 1.275 diameter(pre valve job) considering maybe a 1mm over valve to compliment the tumble effect
Guide measurement- 1.185x.965
splitter measurment- 1.185x.990
Pre splitter- 2.050x .900
The valves undercut diameter is .225 and half way up the tulip is .360. I wonder how you take that into account when trying to do volume calculations. When the valve is closed the ports volume is less and as the valve moves the volume increases.
Thanks for looking and hope to share the data I learn as i learn it