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Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by Cubic_Cleveland » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:17 am

Kazoom wrote:
Kurshuk wrote:Hello everyone,

Have an Iron Eagle SBC with a casting defect in the #4 main saddle. Just looking for opinions on if this needs to go back to Dart. Noticed it as soon as I opened the box. Thanks! :D
send it back/exchange it

the Dart blocks have had a reputation for CRACKING in the main saddles...

http://forums.corral.net/forums/11440663-post22.html ...
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As for this clown, do yourself a favour and do some checking of his posts on here, and what professionals have to say. Also do some research into why those cracks probably occurred.

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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by Kazoom » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:14 am

Cubic_Cleveland wrote: As for this clown, do yourself a favour and do some checking of his posts on here, and what professionals have to say. Also do some research into why those cracks probably occurred.
for over 5 years now starting on this site i have asked a simple question from the internet dart peddlers & alldart akbar fanboys like yourself that live there sad lives on the net

as to why there are so many complaints about Dart Blocks Cracking online only to be repeatedly insulted, bashed and have death threats made to me and my kids BY

some internet DART DEALER "clowns" and there alldart akbar fanboys online

whats really pathetic is TO THIS DATE NOT ONE online internet Dart parts peddler/dealer or fanboy has ever answered that simple question...

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how about instead of spewing your aussi "clown" shat you take a CRACK at the question yourself ....

and if its not to technical for you, try clicking on some of the links to all the guys complaints of THEIR DART blocks cracking

...

here's just one example (post #81) ... of dozens of cracking Dart blocks in the same spot...
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... st20529242
("I also have at least 12 racers that have broke their dart blocks as I have and the problem is the block. Burning a plug and blowers blowing up I'm sure don't help but from all that has come forward to say their blocks have broke in the same spot leads me to believe the block is failing.")...

Lyle671's Dart Cracked block ...http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... p?t=770506
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nos stroker's Dart Cracked block...http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... p?t=465317
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and just a few more YellowBullShat CRACKED DART BLOCK links...
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cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showp ... tcount=123
cracked dart...
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... ?t=1096170
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showp ... stcount=14
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... ?t=1370489
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showp ... stcount=21
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... ?t=1469234
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showp ... tcount=122
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... p?t=465317
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showp ... stcount=10
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... p?t=770506
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showp ... ostcount=3
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... p?t=455927
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showp ... stcount=84
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... p?t=356696
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showp ... stcount=12
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... p?t=257285
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showp ... stcount=85
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... p?t=424438
cracked dart
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showp ... tcount=100

cracking issues even with the Aluminum Dart Blocks...

Etextor's BBC DART ALUMINUM BLOCK CRACKED - Yellow Bullet Forums
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Insane's Cracked Dart Aluminum Block...http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... p?t=623577
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https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=8uG ... dart+block

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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by pamotorman » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:39 am

now this guy has real block cracking problems
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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by wyrmrider » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:04 pm

There's a picture like that of a blown fuel roadster with the crank on the ground spinning and the tires still smoking
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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by The Radius Kid » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:24 pm

Cubic_Cleveland wrote:As for this clown, do yourself a favour and do some checking of his posts on here, and what professionals have to say. Also do some research into why those cracks probably occurred.
Perhaps you could provide a link or two and save us the trouble of searching around ?
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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by psychomotors » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:59 pm

Interested in the outcome myself. I am seriously thinking of buying a SHP block , but not if there are gonna be real issues. [-X
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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by Kazoom » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:19 pm

psychomotors wrote:Interested in the outcome myself. I am seriously thinking of buying a SHP block , but not if there are gonna be real issues. [-X
best advise i could give to ALL hobbyists like my self is NOT to buy parts/blocks/anything from deceitful islamist INTERNET DART DEALERS/PARTS PEDDLERS
(or there internet alldart akbar fanboys) with there own agendas selling there junk out of there barns/sheds online

...http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showp ... tcount=987
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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by Kurshuk » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:24 pm

Ok... Thanks everyone.

I'm going to try an send it back, don't expect any problems as I have not even taken it out of the box yet. With my luck the casting defect would cause a problem for sure.

The application is drag racing, manual trans 5 speed, big tire car. 4.185 bore x 4.00 stroke, 8000 rpm. Will let everyone know how it goes, this was ordered with a 50mm cam bore too.

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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by Cubic_Cleveland » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:53 pm

The Radius Kid wrote:
Cubic_Cleveland wrote:As for this clown, do yourself a favour and do some checking of his posts on here, and what professionals have to say. Also do some research into why those cracks probably occurred.
Perhaps you could provide a link or two and save us the trouble of searching around ?
The way this guy has attacked me below should give you an idea of his MO. If not, just click on his name and look at some of the other posts he's made on this type of topic. Why he has to bring his bigoted views on religion into it I have no idea.

For the record I'm not a Dart dealer, nor do I have an online store. Just an automotive machinist who uses Dart products, if these problems were as common as Kazoom would have you believe, I wouldn't use their product nor recommend them to my customers. Anything can fail, sometimes it's a parts defect, a lot of times it's incorrect application or human error.

I have been maintaining for 3 seasons a 370" turbo SBF making over 1000HP in an 8.2" SHP block with no block issues to speak of. It's a drag race application, and in the beginning had converter ballooning issues that chewed out the thrusts. Crank and bearings were toast, but the blocks still the original.

Recently done the machine work on a 302" turbo iron eagle SBF, pushed the head gaskets out on the dyno at peak torque from a tune up that was too aggressive. Pulled the engine apart to inspect the damage, found there was none. Replaced head gaskets, owner fixed tune up, makes 1500HP on meth, going into a drift car.
Kazoom wrote: for over 5 years now starting on this site i have asked a simple question from the internet dart peddlers & alldart akbar fanboys like yourself that live there sad lives on the net

as to why there are so many complaints about Dart Blocks Cracking online only to be repeatedly insulted, bashed and have death threats made to me and my kids BY

some internet DART DEALER "clowns" and there alldart akbar fanboys online

whats really pathetic is TO THIS DATE NOT ONE online internet Dart parts peddler/dealer or fanboy has ever answered that simple question...

how about instead of spewing your aussi "clown" shat you take a CRACK at the question yourself ....

and if its not to technical for you, try clicking on some of the links to all the guys complaints of THEIR DART blocks cracking

...

here's just one example (post #81) ... of dozens of cracking Dart blocks in the same spot...
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showt ... st20529242
("I also have at least 12 racers that have broke their dart blocks as I have and the problem is the block. Burning a plug and blowers blowing up I'm sure don't help but from all that has come forward to say their blocks have broke in the same spot leads me to believe the block is failing.")...
The bit you so kindly put in bold about torched pistons and damaged blowers I think is a big clue Kazoom, also the really sharp edges on the oil holes in some of the pictures you provided. Maybe if you did this stuff for a living and got out of your moms basement you would have some idea...

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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by Cubic_Cleveland » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:55 pm

psychomotors wrote:Interested in the outcome myself. I am seriously thinking of buying a SHP block , but not if there are gonna be real issues. [-X
Do yourself a favour and look into all the people who use these blocks successfully. There are 3 SHP builds currently under way in the shop I work at.

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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by wyrmrider » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:13 am

all high hp blocks need to be detailed, stress risers modified, oil passages cleaned. reamed. or bottle brushed etc
sharp edges are just looking for a crack
detonation kills anything and everything

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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by GARY C » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:35 am

To the OP I would exchange the block just to be on the safe side but I would not hesitate to run Dart Blocks, I could not tell you the number of nitrous and turbo guys I know that beat on theses blocks for years not to mention most 420" circle track motors are built on Dart Blocks and have been for years.

When you consider that Dart Has been the leading seller of aftermarket blocks for years and has probably sold tens of thousands of them I think a few broken ones are going to show up especially when you have guys building small blocks producing over 2000 horse these days.
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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by The Radius Kid » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:48 am

In all honesty,I don't have a dog in this fight either way.
What I do see is a casting inclusion in the OP's pic and what looks like porosity in the pic Kazoom shows.
I don't know how wide spread the problem is,but I would hope it's limited in scope given Dart's rep'.
If the OP's block HAD to be used,that inclusion could be carefully dressed out.
However,given that it's new,I would send it back.
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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by Biteme » Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:53 am

Looking at the 1st pic the op put up, that's a definate send it back!
It should never have left the factory like that.
It's what's called a factory 2nd.

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Re: Dart Iron Eagle SBC Casting Defect Opinions

Post by Kazoom » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:02 am

Cubic_Cleveland wrote: The way this guy has attacked me below should give you an idea of his MO. If not, just click on his name and look at some of the other posts he's made on this type of topic. Why he has to bring his bigoted views on religion into it I have no idea.
FACT... YOU are the one that started with personal attacks (your word) "clown" and since you wont post a link to other Dart block problems, i will... viewtopic.php?p=590717#p590717
Cubic_Cleveland wrote: I'm Just an automotive machinist who uses Dart products, if these problems were as common as Kazoom would have you believe, I wouldn't use their product nor recommend them to my customers.
FACT... YOU use and promote Dart products to "your" customers so YOU have an agenda mr fanboy, unlike you, this is just my hobby so all im interested in as a consumer is the TRUTH/FACTS
Cubic_Cleveland wrote: Maybe if you did this stuff for a living and got out of your moms basement you would have some idea...
FACT... YOU are another deceitful aussi (like YB PuRpS) ignoring the facts of piles of CRACKED dart blocks spewing your stupid garbage instead of answering the 5+yr old simple question


its hilarious that some trolling internet Dart Dealers/Dart Fanboys find it OK to lie about, bash and put down other companys block products like frp blocks, world blocks, fps blocks and others,
YET they start crying about anyone posting any issues/problems with there precious Dart blocks cracking
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