1966 350SS block.

[pamotorman]

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[DaveMcLain]

This thread has been very interesting for me I know I've never seen a large journal block like that but now I'll have to keep an eye open.

[novadude]

Are the main bolts in the 1967 350SS block farther apart than the main bolts in the 1967 302 and 327 blocks to accommodate the larger crank journals? pdq67

No. The factory main caps are simply machined for the larger main bearings and the block relieved somewhat for the crank.

The 3892657 '67 350-295 block has the breather in the valley and the road draft setup on the back of the block is a 90 degree fitting to which a hose attaches and runs down by the starter. Plus it has a canister oil filter. It's the only passenger car large journal block to have had a canister filter.

No passenger car Chevy engine still had a draft tube in 1967. The can (baffle / separator) in the lifter valley connected to a 3/8 hose fitting that screwed into the block where the draft tube used to be in the 1950s. The 3/8" hose went to a PCV valve that was connected to a manifold vacuum source on the carb. Fresh air was pulled through a vented breather on the oil fill tube at the front of the intake.

You can see that set-up in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvK_4kZFY2I

[DaveMcLain]

Are the main bolts in the 1967 350SS block farther apart than the main bolts in the 1967 302 and 327 blocks to accommodate the larger crank journals? pdq67

No. The factory main caps are simply machined for the larger main bearings and the block relieved somewhat for the crank.

The 3892657 '67 350-295 block has the breather in the valley and the road draft setup on the back of the block is a 90 degree fitting to which a hose attaches and runs down by the starter. Plus it has a canister oil filter. It's the only passenger car large journal block to have had a canister filter.

No passenger car Chevy engine still had a draft tube in 1967. The can (baffle / separator) in the lifter valley connected to a 3/8 hose fitting that screwed into the block where the draft tube used to be in the 1950s. The 3/8" hose went to a PCV valve that was connected to a manifold vacuum source on the carb. Fresh air was pulled through a vented breather on the oil fill tube at the front of the intake.

You can see that set-up in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvK_4kZFY2I

A couple of years ago I built a 1955 265 engine and the location of the road draft tube wasn't like I had expected. It went down the back of the engine behind the flywheel and came out the bottom down by the oil pan rail.

[tenxal]

No passenger car Chevy engine still had a draft tube in 1967. The can (baffle / separator) in the lifter valley connected to a 3/8 hose fitting that screwed into the block where the draft tube used to be in the 1950s. The 3/8" hose went to a PCV valve that was connected to a manifold vacuum source on the carb. Fresh air was pulled through a vented breather on the oil fill tube at the front of the intake.

You can see that set-up in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvK_4kZFY2I

In general, you'd be correct. But the '67 Camaro 350 block was a bit of an odd duck. A quick search will show you what the correct crankcase vent tube for a '67 Camaro 350 is. Even the system for the 327's and 302's are different from the 350...and only in the Camaro. I've personally seen unaltered originals where the crankcase vent tube went to the air cleaner (5/8" o.d. steel tube...the most common system) and also where the metal tubing terminated into the area behind the starter with hose (5/8" o.d. steel tube). The downward directed crankcase vent tube is not available through the after market repro companies but the 'air cleaner style' is.

Neat survivor engine in the video even though it's far from original.

[DaveMcLain]

Did they have a road draft tube or a PCV mounted in a hose that connected to a fitting that went into the hole that could/used to accommodate a road draft tube?

I've worked on quite a few small journal 327's and NONE of them had a road draft tube.

[pdq67]

My 350SS engine had the little metal can-type adapter in the hole by the dizzy that had a 2-piece hose hooked to it. 1/2 way along was where the pcv valve was plugged in between the 2nd hose that then went to either the bottom middle front or the bottom middle rear of the base of my Q-Jet. I forget which? (I think front??)..

Anyway, there was a snap clip that the pcv valve fit in that then was bolted onto one of the intake bolts on the pass. side by the choke stove deal..

When I took my car to pass inspection back in early '86, the Inspector told me that I was lucky that it wasn't a '68, because the '67's didn't have air cleaner snorkel, "stoves", (exhaust manifold pipe heater deal is all), on them so therefore my open element air cleaner would pass a visual inspection. '68, no go!

I still have the bottom of my stock air cleaner, but Doc's no good step son stole my chrome top. Sucker is like 16.25" in dia. and even a re-pop is quite pricy! As*hole got two Holley 390 cfm, 1850 type carbs at the same time and I didn't know it. They came off AP Greens two gunning trucks, (an F-600, 361" and an F-750, 391" Ford FE powered), and were given to me by my former Boss when he retired. He classified them as junk so whatever.

Both trucks had (2) 50 gallon saddle tanks on them and the F-750 got like 4 mpg so when we came from South Bend, IN to Mexico, MO, by the time we hit Hannibal, MO, we were looking for fuel!!

The F-600 got sold off and an LN-7000 3408 Cat took it's place. It also had (2), 50 gallon saddle tanks on it, but it got 8 mpg!

It had an 800 mile range and I have driven it 800 miles non-stop across country on the northern east/west Hwy's, (I-80, -90, and -94)!!

Mexico, MO to Massena, NY and back after the job was finished!

Also from Mexico. MO to Prattville, AL non-stop and my Boss liked ta died!! he never road with me again. I had a, "Truckers", atlas that showed where the scales were so I just by-passed them and kept on rolling!

Sorry, way OT, but just another ol' pdq67 story!

pdq67

[pdq67]

My car had a '66, .040" over, 300hp/327 in it when I got it back. I overhauled it and gave it to my Nephew not knowing that all I had to do was bore the mains to the 350SS block size and then use it as almost a period correct block.

I did this almost 20 years ago and it is still sitting on an engine stand in his garage so go figure?? He also has a great '68 or '69, 302" Ford V-8 sitting on the floor. I sold him a Ford F4B true hi-rise intake for it and it just sit's there too.

pdq67

[engineguyBill]

As I recall the 350" engine was available ONLY in Camaros in 1967 and this 350 block had small journal crankshaft. Same block casting # for 302", 327" and 350" in 1967 only.

[psychomotors]

My car had a '66, .040" over, 300hp/327 in it when I got it back. I overhauled it and gave it to my Nephew not knowing that all I had to do was bore the mains to the 350SS block size and then use it as almost a period correct block.

I did this almost 20 years ago and it is still sitting on an engine stand in his garage so go figure?? He also has a great '68 or '69, 302" Ford V-8 sitting on the floor. I sold him a Ford F4B true hi-rise intake for it and it just sit's there too.

pdq67

Try to get it back?

[GOSFAST]

As I recall the 350" engine was available ONLY in Camaros in 1967 and this 350 block had small journal crankshaft. Same block casting # for 302", 327" and 350" in 1967 only.

Hi Bill, the RS/SS '67 Camaro was most definitely a L/J unit.

It had a L/J "dimpled" rod with the S/J rod bolts, I have a number of sets of these OEM rods still here on the shelf.

Thanks, Gary in N.Y.

P.S. I don't have the block number available any longer (that I'm aware of) but we did build a bunch of these in the early '80's. First thing was notify the customers we wouldn't reuse any of these rods due to the 11/32" rod bolts. I do have a shot below here of the rods for comparison, left one is OEM S/J, center is the Camaro rod, and right is the later rods. You can see the nut size in the photo, 1/2" socket on the left and center rods.

[DaveMcLain]

Road draft tube before oil filters!!

Thanks
Randy

That's how it looked on the 1955 265 engine that I built a few years ago. It was interesting how much stuff was different about that engine when compared to later stuff, no side motor mounts, rope seal, no starter mounting provision, no block mounted oil filter, only two lengths of head bolts, different oil pump, different pan bolt pattern, many things.

[stock z/28]

As I recall the 350" engine was available ONLY in Camaros in 1967 and this 350 block had small journal crankshaft. Same block casting # for 302", 327" and 350" in 1967 only.

Hi Bill, the RS/SS '67 Camaro was most definitely a L/J unit.

It had a L/J "dimpled" rod with the S/J rod bolts, I have a number of sets of these OEM rods still here on the shelf.

Thanks, Gary in N.Y.

P.S. I don't have the block number available any longer (that I'm aware of) but we did build a bunch of these in the early '80's. First thing was notify the customers we wouldn't reuse any of these rods due to the 11/32" rod bolts. I do have a shot below here of the rods for comparison, left one is OEM S/J, center is the Camaro rod, and right is the later rods. You can see the nut size in the photo, 1/2" socket on the left and center rods.

Hi Gary,

I still have a couple of sets of these large journal rods with the 11/32 rod bolts myself. I might even still have a 67 350 block, I will have to check.


I have converted a couple of 68 327-350 blocks to use the crank case vent like the 67 used. It a bit of work, but if you use a canister style oil filter adapter for a 68 up 40-60 series truck its really hard to tell the engine from a 67 model year 350.

Its interesting that they used the 295 horse 350 in 68 as well in a Camaro and Chevy II (maybe others as well?) and they still used a non-tuftrided forged crankshaft but with 3/8 rod bolts (as all large journal 68 up engines that I know of). I think in 69 all passenger non SHP 350s used a cast crankshaft.

Also I think about all small blocks used in 67 model year vehicles were cast without the oil fill "circle" in the front of the block, and the main webbing was a bit thicker in some areas. We really prefered a 67 block (283-or 327) for drag racing.

And of course the Chevy II blocks 67 down were all by themselves, and the 67 blocks were quite a bit different than a 66 down.

I would love to see a pic of of a "Real" 67 Chevy II L79 with the intake off.

Thanks
Jeff

[pdq67]

Gary,

I still think that my '66, 350SS engine's rods had 9/16" nuts!

My Buddy, Doc is telling me that he never threw my 350SS short block away so I am hoping that it still out in the weeds at his place??

pdq67

[S10LS2]

Let's say it is still in the weeds after all these years.. You take a trip there to go see, and yes it is still right where you left it 25-30 years ago.. What would you do with it if anything? I agree it would be pretty neat to have your old 350 back at your home in your garage.