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Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
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Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
What is my pressure differential during my low lift?Warp Speed wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:42 pmReally?!?plovett wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:04 pmBecause, in general, low lift flow is more important on the exhaust side. In general, high lift flow is more important on the intake side. Yes, a generalization. So it is not so much that you are trying to get lower lift on the exhaust. It is that you are trying to get higher lift on the intake. Ducking!
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Low lift flow is important to the exhaust?
How much does an exhaust flow at initial opening?
What cylinder pressure should I want to have ABDC?
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Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
My understanding is pressure differentials across the valves and why this may change with some boosted or nitrous applications but I am sure you already knew that.Warp Speed wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:46 pmNot sure, that's why I'm asking?!?
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Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
Well the simplest answer is - because the exhaust valve is smaller.
Curtain area = valve head area when L=D/4.
Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
Yes. I think the pressure differential is high when the exhaust valve cracks open and relatively low when the intake valve cracks open.Stan Weiss wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:07 amWhat is my pressure differential during my low lift?Warp Speed wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:42 pmReally?!?plovett wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:04 pm
Because, in general, low lift flow is more important on the exhaust side. In general, high lift flow is more important on the intake side. Yes, a generalization. So it is not so much that you are trying to get lower lift on the exhaust. It is that you are trying to get higher lift on the intake. Ducking!
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Low lift flow is important to the exhaust?
How much does an exhaust flow at initial opening?
What cylinder pressure should I want to have ABDC?
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Are you talking ABDC after the power stroke? In a perfect world all the energy of combustion would have went into the piston and rotating assembly, but I don't think it works that way in practice. Is that what you are getting at?
Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
I think you would have a net gain in power if you could use all the combustion pressure on the power stroke and have a zero pressure differential on the start of the exhaust stroke, even though you would not be able to evacuate the exhaust gasses as well, as only the piston coming up would be doing the work?
You would certainly want different cam timing if you could that. LOL!
You would certainly want different cam timing if you could that. LOL!
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Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
Dr. Andrew Randolph of ECR in his NASCAR Engines 101 lecture said best power is made on the exhaust side when the expansion loss is balance to the pumping loss. In the example he gave, it’s about 20hp for each...
It’s interesting reading Honda papers, on even their motorsports stuff, in that they refer to inlet flow as pumping loss as opposed to mass flow.
Maybe people need to rewire how they think of things.
It’s interesting reading Honda papers, on even their motorsports stuff, in that they refer to inlet flow as pumping loss as opposed to mass flow.
Maybe people need to rewire how they think of things.
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Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
I'm curious... did you ask this question to the poster who made this statement because:
(a) you didn't agree with him and were looking to debate it, or...
(b) because it's true and you wanted to see if he understood why?
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Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
It seems to be the accepted trend lately by most, but I have no idea why?
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Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
Warp Speed wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:02 amIt seems to be the accepted trend lately by most, but I have no idea why?
I believe its because most are still chasing flow bench numbers on the exh. Exh ports are HUGE today. Less lift is helping control the rapid blow down.
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Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
Would it be advantageous to grind ex valve/seat to maximize low lift flow?
Intake angles for high lift flow?
Is this already a common practice?
Intake angles for high lift flow?
Is this already a common practice?
Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
3V Performance wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:15 amWarp Speed wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:02 amIt seems to be the accepted trend lately by most, but I have no idea why?
I believe its because most are still chasing flow bench numbers on the exh. Exh ports are HUGE today. Less lift is helping control the rapid blow down.
I've been squeezing exhaust valve and port sizes down for close to 10 years now. I make the port as quiet as I can, and whatever it flows, it flows.
Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
CharlieB53 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:26 am Would it be advantageous to grind ex valve/seat to maximize low lift flow?
Intake angles for high lift flow?
Is this already a common practice?
I wouldn't grind any valve job to maximize low lift flow. This has been thrashed out here many times.
Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
I have often wondered if you combined that with a much later opening and maximize the lift for evacuation what would happen? I am sure it has been tried but I don't see anyone doing it or if they are they ain't talking about it.CharlieB53 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:26 am Would it be advantageous to grind ex valve/seat to maximize low lift flow?
Intake angles for high lift flow?
Is this already a common practice?
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Re: Are Exh pushrods more stressed even in NA applications?
Like the analogy of the shook up beer can, open it quickly all the way vs just slightly cracking it slowly...3V Performance wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:15 am
I believe its because most are still chasing flow bench numbers on the exh. Exh ports are HUGE today. Less lift is helping control the rapid blow down.