Dual pattern cams in towing applications

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Re: Dual pattern cams in towing applications

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CamKing wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:08 am Increasing the exhaust duration can reduce temp in the cylinder, but will also reduce pressure, and power at lower RPM's.
For a towing application, where power below peak is more important then power past peak, increasing the exhaust duration is the wrong way to go.
If the engine has to pass a smog test, where they check the NOX levels, then the longer exhaust is a good idea, because it will reduce the cylinder temps, and reduce the NOX.
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Re: Dual pattern cams in towing applications

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I have seen many "towing specific" camshafts which appear to be single pattern with the same durations at .050" however, upon measuring them they are indeed dual-pattern camshafts with a more aggressive lobe on the exhaust side having lesser seat timing.

I always thought that it was because the exhaust valve was lighter but, maybe there are other reasons involved like keeping the exhaust valve closed longer so the pressure above the piston can do more work.
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Re: Dual pattern cams in towing applications

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travis wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:59 pm
but their stuff listed for moderate to heavy towing tends to be wider lsa with more and more exhaust duration/widening lsa as the towing weight gets heavier..
This would make sense for very heavy towing, where the trans downshifts, and the RPM's are pushing the redline. In that case, the engine is producing a ton of heat, and the longer exhaust duration will reduce the heat in the engine.
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Read about 366 BBC engines burning exhaust valves in 2 ton trucks ,, wonder if they needed more exhaust timing
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Years ago had a Ford E-150 van with a 351W used for towing. It had a Ford Motorsports cam in it for towing.

PN: M-6250-A331 Dur @ .050 Int 204* (adv 280*) .448" Ex 214* ( Adv 290*) .472"

I think it had lobe centers something like int 107* and exhaust 117* for 112* lobe sep

I made the mistake of swapping it out while having the heads rebuilt. Two weeks later I pulled it apart and put it back in.
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Re: Dual pattern cams in towing applications

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Don't exhaust valves reject a lot of their heat through the seat? More time on the seat = cooler exhaust valve.
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Re: Dual pattern cams in towing applications

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If the exh valve needs to spend more time on the seat to transfer heat to the valve seat, the exh duration needs to be reduced....
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Re: Dual pattern cams in towing applications

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A little extra exhaust seat width is more effective at cooling the valve than a few degrees of duration.
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Re: Dual pattern cams in towing applications

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Pick an rpm range you're comfortable with and cam the engine for that.....Pulling grades with a load you might want 4000 rpm to do the job
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