Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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SchmidtMotorWorks wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:43 pm
RevTheory wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:07 pm I'm pretty sure he just basically said, "hey, what about this?"
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Well thanks for that, Webster; much appreciated! Changed my life forever.

I've been wondering for a couple of years now if you've set an alert in the quantum field or if you stalk him manually. We can go six months without seeing hide nor hair of you but the second someone makes a post that mentions the name that apparently can't be named or types in "128", boy there you are lickety split blowing up the thread with the same ol' same old. There are a couple of you guys that I swear would pop up out of a medically-induced coma if you got a cosmic hint that someone mentioned David Vizard on SpeedTalk and you'd be right back at it with your ass hanging out of a hospital gown.

Just for kicks and grins, I ran a hundred iterations of your OPINION through a 3D simulation program (validated by 5D :D ) and kept getting the same result. Ready? If a guy wants to kick around an idea that keeps his mind and hands occupied, has some fun and maybe learns something along the way, let him! You don't have to poo poo everything, blow threads up, internet stalk people nor does a low-tech SBC require millions of dollars of digital crap to blow tires up.

Let it go.
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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Thank you, RevTheory, X2 to that.
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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RevTheory wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:52 am
SchmidtMotorWorks wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:43 pm
RevTheory wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:07 pm I'm pretty sure he just basically said, "hey, what about this?"
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a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.
Well thanks for that, Webster; much appreciated! Changed my life forever.

I've been wondering for a couple of years now if you've set an alert in the quantum field or if you stalk him manually. We can go six months without seeing hide nor hair of you but the second someone makes a post that mentions the name that apparently can't be named or types in "128", boy there you are lickety split blowing up the thread with the same ol' same old. There are a couple of you guys that I swear would pop up out of a medically-induced coma if you got a cosmic hint that someone mentioned David Vizard on SpeedTalk and you'd be right back at it with your ass hanging out of a hospital gown.

Just for kicks and grins, I ran a hundred iterations of your OPINION through a 3D simulation program (validated by 5D :D ) and kept getting the same result. Ready? If a guy wants to kick around an idea that keeps his mind and hands occupied, has some fun and maybe learns something along the way, let him! You don't have to poo poo everything, blow threads up, internet stalk people nor does a low-tech SBC require millions of dollars of digital crap to blow tires up.

Let it go.
I'm not stopping you from believing nonsense, most people do.
Why? Because it is easier than really understanding.
Why is a joke so upsetting to you?
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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This kind of nonsense doesn't bother me anymore. It did a couple of years ago but now that I've accepted the fact that every forum has "that guy", I just giggle for the most part. It is what it is.
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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RevTheory wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:42 pm This kind of nonsense doesn't bother me anymore. It did a couple of years ago but now that I've accepted the fact that every forum has "that guy", I just giggle for the most part. It is what it is.
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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GLHS60 wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:41 pm I would like to offer my opinion.

If you don't mind, opinion is all I'm that offering, not criticism.

I've followed your posts and appreciate the fact you are very smart.

You used to debate and discuss in a very cordial and civilized manner.

I've actually posted positive compliments on your postings in the past.

Recently however, your posts seem critical or caustic towards others.

Naturally many folks are critical and caustic, that's their normal behavior.

If you were always cynical it wouldn't be as noticeable to dumdums like me.

Now it appears you're looking down your nose at others less enlightened.

Or possibly I have misread your temperament all along.

Best of luck in your future endeavors.

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Randy

SchmidtMotorWorks wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:17 pm
I'm not stopping you from believing nonsense, most people do.
Why? Because it is easier than really understanding.
Why is a joke so upsetting to you?
I have always been critical of BS, everyone should be.
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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For those that wonder why I think a few variables are insufficient to spec a cam.

Look at Jones request form, it has roughly 35 parameters.
http://jonescams.com/drag-race/
Knowing how difficult it is to get people to fill out forms, it is likely that he tried to minimise the form as much as possible.
So after a decades of designing and creating cams why does he ask for so much information?

Whenever someone tells you they don't need much information to do something complex, it is a sign that they don't know what they are doing or don't care about what you are getting.
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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GLHS60 wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:10 pm I have always been critical of BS, everyone should be.

#us too!!

The enlightened sometimes need to climb down from their high horses.

Us less educated like to discuss and learn, in our own simple ways.

If you don't have time to enlighten us please don't ridicule us.

Many respect Mr Vizard for sharing his findings eloquently.

Most of us still love our old reciprocating Engines.

You moved on to motors.

No problem.

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Randy
I have tried to enlighten people, but no one wants to be told they have bought a handful of magic beans.

I still have my TXF equipped dyno and engine.
I am writing a book on measured pressure consequences of various engine parameters.
It was planned to be the last thing I do with my shop stuff.
I am on the fence about whether to continue or not.
It seems like very few people are interested in real science and understanding.
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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I always believe this to be an open forum,
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is there a reason you don't buy your own 3rd world
country so you can be it's dictator.
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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GLHS60 wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:02 pm Without a doubt if I were buying a cam it would be a Mike Jones cam!

Sadly, no cams are available for my ancient Chrysler 2.2 SOHC Turbo

Not that it matters as I'm close to my expiry date so I'm on my last Engine.

You appear to have a gripe against Mr Vizard and possibly for good reason??

Or not, regardless, he shares his findings and many are happy with that.

Many enjoy an honest discussion, few enjoy drive by strikes.

Unless obviously funny, that's different.

Thanks
Randy


SchmidtMotorWorks wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:08 pm For those that wonder why I think a few variables are insufficient to spec a cam.

Look at Jones request form, it has roughly 35 parameters.
http://jonescams.com/drag-race/
Knowing how difficult it is to get people to fill out forms, it is likely that he tried to minimise the form as much as possible.
So after a decades of designing and creating cams why does he ask for so much information?

Whenever someone tells you they don't need much information to do something complex, it is a sign that they don't know what they are doing or don't care about what you are getting.
My gripe is that he promotes with false claims.
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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bigfoot584 wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:57 pm I always believe this to be an open forum,

is there a reason you don't buy your own 3rd world
country so you can be it's dictator.
Are you suggesting that ridiculing the idea that a few parameters is sufficient to be comprehensive of a problem for which a professional in the field requires 35, is dictator like?
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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You are the wrong guy for the job. SMW.
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F-BIRD'88 wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:20 pm You are the wrong guy for the job. SMW.
Describe the right person for the job please.
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
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Re: Applying the DV 128 formula on a Supercharged engine

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F-BIRD'88 wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:32 pm "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
X2.

This thread reminds me of another.. “The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education”
SMW is simply being a clown!

For years Mike Jones has posted excellent FULL CAM recommendations based from just a few simple details from the OP.
Pipemax 4 is also very excellent.
FACTS.
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