8 to 900 hp out of a 1st Gen. SBC Block.

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Re: 8 to 900 hp out of a 1st Gen. SBC Block.

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PackardV8 wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:02 pm
dannobee wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:46 amAnd yes, as Gary said, it's hard to find good blocks. 15-20 years ago it was hard for us (and we had an ample supply from our dealership's core pile!), I can only imagine how hard it is now.
Not going to be at all difficult. GM just put the 350"s back into production. https://www.autotimesnews.com/gm-resume ... 50-engine/
350 V8 engines are brand new and have no remanufactured components. In addition, they are covered by a three-year warranty or 160,934 km.
I wish they would reproduce an upgraded version of the 400 block but it would probably be over priced for what it would be.
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I have posted these before but in the context of the thread I thought I would repost.
Roy's car is the first in the video, blue Chevy II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTi71uG5BL8

The ugly Luv in the far lane at 21:44 in the vid is a stock block, stock cast crank, stock rod, forged piston 350 with a flat tappet hyd cam Comp 262XE with a Protopline reproduction head 167cc, Air Gap intake, 750 vac secondary carb and nitrous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmp_pJziQpI
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GARY C wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:35 pm
The ugly Luv in the far lane at 21:44 in the vid is a stock block, stock cast crank, stock rod, forged piston 350 with a flat tappet hyd cam Comp 262XE with a Protopline reproduction head 167cc, Air Gap intake, 750 vac secondary carb and nitrous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmp_pJziQpI
What's the deal with all the idiots in the staging area? Is that how it is now at most of these events? The Luv is kinda cool though.
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Chris_Hamilton wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:00 pm
GARY C wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:35 pm
The ugly Luv in the far lane at 21:44 in the vid is a stock block, stock cast crank, stock rod, forged piston 350 with a flat tappet hyd cam Comp 262XE with a Protopline reproduction head 167cc, Air Gap intake, 750 vac secondary carb and nitrous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmp_pJziQpI
What's the deal with all the idiots in the staging area? Is that how it is now at most of these events? The Luv is kinda cool though.
At the Grudge events the track owner lets the racers operate like it's a street race because they are running each other for their own money, the track is not putting up a purse so they keep the rules to a minimum, safety and security... these events draw the biggest racer/spectator turn out by far. Racer want to race and fans want to watch.

You think thats crazy, here is the one true outlaw track we have in Dallas Texas, it's been this way for decades...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL124ClUL28
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GARY C wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:24 pm
You think thats crazy, here is the one true outlaw track we have in Dallas Texas, it's been this way for decades...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL124ClUL28
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Anybody ever get shot there?
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77cruiser wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:22 pm
GARY C wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:24 pm
You think thats crazy, here is the one true outlaw track we have in Dallas Texas, it's been this way for decades...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL124ClUL28
Anybody ever get shot there?
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As I'm laughing....I got to say you asked the question I was too chicken to ask. Kept waiting for someone to say "Worldstar!!!!" (you older gents may not get that but if you ever watched any street fights (fists) on youtube you may.:) All in good fun. :D
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GARY C wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:11 pm I wish they would reproduce an upgraded version of the 400 block but it would probably be over priced for what it would be.
THEY do. But "they" is DART.

.230" wall thickness; 4 bolt splayed steel main caps, priority mains oiling, no more head bolt holes going into water jackets, pre-stroker clearanced.
$1,595 retail. Probably cheaper for you.

Is it overpriced for a bare block with unfinished bores? IDK.

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NewbVetteGuy wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:47 pm
GARY C wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:11 pm I wish they would reproduce an upgraded version of the 400 block but it would probably be over priced for what it would be.
THEY do. But "they" is DART.

.230" wall thickness; 4 bolt splayed steel main caps, priority mains oiling, no more head bolt holes going into water jackets, pre-stroker clearanced.
$1,595 retail. Probably cheaper for you.

Is it overpriced for a bare block with unfinished bores? IDK.

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Doesn’t Blueprint make new 400sbc’s as well?
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travis wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:10 pm Doesn’t Blueprint make new 400sbc’s as well?
Yes, $1600.00
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NewbVetteGuy wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:47 pm
GARY C wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:11 pm I wish they would reproduce an upgraded version of the 400 block but it would probably be over priced for what it would be.
THEY do. But "they" is DART.

.230" wall thickness; 4 bolt splayed steel main caps, priority mains oiling, no more head bolt holes going into water jackets, pre-stroker clearanced.
$1,595 retail. Probably cheaper for you.

Is it overpriced for a bare block with unfinished bores? IDK.

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pdq67 wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:58 pm OK!!

My line of thinking is to use a SBC engine to run against Big Red 1 in its early years, say like 800 hp or so.

800hp, 540 BBC vs an 800hp or so SBC engine to save weight. Hell, it might even be a TT 302!!! Or even a 325 built off a 400 block with a 3" crank.

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In a race with no rules, why would one handicap the chances with the POS early SBC? At 800hp, it's unlikely to survive a hundred miles.

For very little more money one can buy a NASCAR takeout which makes easily makes the horsepower goal and would be durable.
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NewbVetteGuy wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:47 pm THEY do. But "they" is DART. .230" wall thickness; 4 bolt splayed steel main caps, priority mains oiling, no more head bolt holes going into water jackets, pre-stroker clearanced. $1,595 retail. Probably cheaper for you.

Is it overpriced for a bare block with unfinished bores? IDK. Adam
They are one of the best bargains out there.
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tenxal wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:29 am
NewbVetteGuy wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:47 pm THEY do. But "they" is DART. .230" wall thickness; 4 bolt splayed steel main caps, priority mains oiling, no more head bolt holes going into water jackets, pre-stroker clearanced. $1,595 retail. Probably cheaper for you.

Is it overpriced for a bare block with unfinished bores? IDK. Adam
They are one of the best bargains out there.
you guys in the USA have it pretty good really,over here in Australia
we pay double.i bought a Dart Little M sportsman block last xmas $ 2900 AU then machining on top,thats just what it is,Summit or Jegs drop it to your front door which is great,i have to wait weeks and months LOL :lol:
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