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Stock Eliminator secrets?

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vortecpro wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:15 am Wasn't you that came to CutlasEFI"s defense regarding some ridiculous TQ to CU IN claims he was making with his inaccurate dyno testing over on the REAL OLDS forum?
Not me...I may have said my 307 olds for the EMC made 1.44 TQ per cube back then, I have no idea what engine he was talking about.

In 2019 our Olds made 1.54 per cube on a bad tune..we think there is a 1.56 in it

There is a TQ per cube thread already going on this, I’m not gonna mess this thread up getting off track
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vortecpro wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:24 am
gmrocket wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:05 am
tenxal wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:18 am

Happy to.

The car is a '68 Chevy II, 327-275 h.p. that runs in G/SA class. The NHRA index for G/SA is 12.00. If the track is above 1,500 ft, the index is adjusted from that.

This is at Pierre, S.D. this season. Index there is 12.15. The car went 11.155 (-.995 under the index). The 11.14 on the side window indicates the dial in for that round:

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A couple from Rock Falls, Wisconsin. Went a best of 11.126 on the 12.00 G/SA index (-.874 under):

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At Thunder Valley in Marion, S.D. last weekend. The index there is 12.30, as it's an IHRA track but has no altitude factor. Index is 12.30, qualified # 2 on Saturday with an 11.1305 (-1.1695 under):

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On Sunday, was the #3 qualifier at 11.1260 (-1.1740 under):

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At Earlville, Iowa (Tri State Dragway) this season, the car went into the 10's for the first time. On the 12.0 NHRA index there (no altitude correction) it went 10.95, 10.94 and two 10.96's. Getting into the 10's and running a full one second under on a non-altitude ajusted track has been my goal since I started this project in late 2013.

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Matt Steen (lt) and Jason Verke (rt) of Victory Engines in Marshall, Mn. These two are extremely talented machining artists that are constantly looking for improvements. I'd be nowhere without their help!

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My good friend Bob Sherwood also figures into this. His private dyno facility is a big part of my program. His expertise in data acquisition and analysis has been invaluable.

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If you require further confirmation, Speed-Talk forum member 'vortecpro' can also attest to the car's credentials. I'm also on the B.O.D. of Midwest Class Racers, an organization that promotes Stock/Super Stock races in South Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska and Wisconsin. As well, the car has been extensively documented on Classracer.com under the 'Build' section. Following this link will get you there:

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=50790

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Thanks for the info..looks like your knocking on the national record...10.8 correct ?
Keep in mind, were this car is raced you will NEVER get into good conditions, and what I mean by good conditions is the type of conditions one sees on the east coast or upper west coast and thats a 30.20 or better barometer.
Easy enough to correlate to those conditions if you don’t want to haul it there
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gmrocket wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:09 am Easy enough to correlate to those conditions if you don’t want to haul it there
With a Physics background, I can likely extrapolate without need to sharpen a pencil nor dust off an abacus. :wink:

Back to our regularly scheduled program. Here's a NHRA accepted (stock depth) oil pan for a Stocker. Looking beyond the obvious, what's there that makes it work so well?

Apologies to those that don't like oil pan talk. :lol:

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tenxal wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:54 am
gmrocket wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:09 am Easy enough to correlate to those conditions if you don’t want to haul it there
With a Physics background, I can likely extrapolate without need to sharpen a pencil nor dust off an abacus. :wink:

Back to our regularly scheduled program. Here's a NHRA accepted (stock depth) oil pan for a Stocker. Looking beyond the obvious, what's there that makes it work so well?

Apologies to those that don't like oil pan talk. :lol:

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That's what I'm talking about! NICE!
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tenxal wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:54 am
gmrocket wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:09 am Easy enough to correlate to those conditions if you don’t want to haul it there
With a Physics background, I can likely extrapolate without need to sharpen a pencil nor dust off an abacus. :wink:

Back to our regularly scheduled program. Here's a NHRA accepted (stock depth) oil pan for a Stocker. Looking beyond the obvious, what's there that makes it work so well?

Apologies to those that don't like oil pan talk. :lol:

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as simple as it looks, there is a lot of good going on in that oil pan.
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tenxal wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:54 am
gmrocket wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:09 am Easy enough to correlate to those conditions if you don’t want to haul it there
With a Physics background, I can likely extrapolate without need to sharpen a pencil nor dust off an abacus. :wink:

Back to our regularly scheduled program. Here's a NHRA accepted (stock depth) oil pan for a Stocker. Looking beyond the obvious, what's there that makes it work so well?

Apologies to those that don't like oil pan talk. :lol:

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tenxal ,
what is the weight Lbs of your Nova with Driver included ?
any incremental times+mph for the 10.94-10.96 ET runs ??
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tenxal wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:54 am
gmrocket wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:09 am Easy enough to correlate to those conditions if you don’t want to haul it there
With a Physics background, I can likely extrapolate without need to sharpen a pencil nor dust off an abacus. :wink:

Back to our regularly scheduled program. Here's a NHRA accepted (stock depth) oil pan for a Stocker. Looking beyond the obvious, what's there that makes it work so well?

Apologies to those that don't like oil pan talk. :lol:

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I don’t mind it at all. Testing just pans and ideas for days isn’t boring to me...I’m sure you’ll say that’s incorrect 😉
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I race a 1972 cleveland stocker and my nhra oil pan is no different than the stock oil pans milodon are canton and I don’t know of any other pan that can be used on this engine.And there are no real need for any tricks with this type of a engine that I know of.
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tenxal wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:54 am
gmrocket wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:09 am Easy enough to correlate to those conditions if you don’t want to haul it there
With a Physics background, I can likely extrapolate without need to sharpen a pencil nor dust off an abacus. :wink:

Back to our regularly scheduled program. Here's a NHRA accepted (stock depth) oil pan for a Stocker. Looking beyond the obvious, what's there that makes it work so well?

Apologies to those that don't like oil pan talk. :lol:

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Which legal Stocker pan Is that which has eight small kick outs at the pan rail?
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The 400 pan.
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maxracesoftware wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:42 pmtenxal, what is the weight Lbs of your Nova with Driver included ? Any incremental times+mph for the 10.94-10.96 ET runs ??
Minimum weight with driver is 3,140. Actual as-run weight was 3,155.

60'- 1.416
330'- 4.332
1/8- 6.863 @ 96.80 mph
1000'- 9.069
1/4- 10.955 @ 119.02

DA 2,600, temp 75 degrees, baro 29.02, water grains 62, humidity 48%, wind was 6-8 mph from an 8 o'clock direction.
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gmrocket wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:43 pmI don’t mind it at all. Testing just pans and ideas for days isn’t boring to me...I’m sure you’ll say that’s incorrect 😉
I couldn't agree more. :)
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Really good .60 ft that’s pretty competitive with the the 340 dart and dusters 1968-1974
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tenxal wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:44 pm
maxracesoftware wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:42 pmtenxal, what is the weight Lbs of your Nova with Driver included ? Any incremental times+mph for the 10.94-10.96 ET runs ??
Minimum weight with driver is 3,140. Actual as-run weight was 3,155.

60'- 1.416
330'- 4.332
1/8- 6.863 @ 96.80 mph
1000'- 9.069
1/4- 10.955 @ 119.02

DA 2,600, temp 75 degrees, baro 29.02, water grains 62, humidity 48%, wind was 6-8 mph from an 8 o'clock direction.
thanks tenxal ,
i must have overlooked it ?, but i could not find where you posted how much HP your engine made ???


i checked out your Link too .... i saw the Pics of all that Snow ( Sneaux in Louisiana) :lol:
we get just 1" inch of Sneaux here and the whole State shuts down ! :lol:

here's some Pics of very old G/SA Pontiac 455cid i tested his engine on my Dyno
in year 1996 made 415 HP on my Dyno ( Pics are from my Win98 Computer back then hooked up to my Dyno ,
these are old DOS screenshots of his Combo )
.... come a long way from 1996's 11.99ET @ 110.82 -to- 10.90's - 119-120 MPHs 8)
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Mr Nyhus, your Nova is brilliant!!

I grew up in the Super Car era and bought and sold many.

The 1968-72 Nova was my all time favorite although mostly SS models.

The 327 versions were unheard of in my area, similar to the 1969 LM-1

This alone makes your 1968 L-30 Nova a Stock Eliminator secret!

Thanks
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tenxal wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:18 am

Happy to.

The car is a '68 Chevy II, 327-275 h.p. that runs in G/SA class. The NHRA index for G/SA is 12.00. If the track is above 1,500 ft, the index is adjusted from that.

This is at Pierre, S.D. this season. Index there is 12.15. The car went 11.155 (-.995 under the index). The 11.14 on the side window indicates the dial in for that round:

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