Engine Oil

[RDY4WAR]

If Driven is SO good why does Joe Gibbs Racing run MOBIL1 now?????

What are you talking about? They run Driven XP2 0w-20, as do several other teams.

[piston guy]

Sure looked like MOBIL1 sticker on Kyle Busch's car at Kansas last weekend.

[RDY4WAR]

Sure looked like MOBIL1 sticker on Kyle Busch's car at Kansas last weekend.

They'll take sponsorship money from anyone that'll give it to them, but it doesn't mean they use their product. Do you think Chase Elliott's car uses Valvoline? Do you think NHRA TF and FC engines actually use E3 plugs? Do you think Elite Motorsports PS cars use Melling products anywhere on those cars?

[turbo camino]

And what about the cars with the boner pill sponsors??! Yikes!

[RDY4WAR]

Could you imagine Mark Martin stepping out of his car after a race and popping a Viagra on camera to please the sponsors? lol

[PSA]

They'll even change the oil in the cans, for that perfect photo opportunity.
I guess the sponsor money is well spent after all. lol

[piston guy]

So are you saying there is no Santa Claus too? Yes I am very aware of racers / teams NOT using the products that their car decals display. Being in the industry I've seen it for thirty years. I had to deny some contingency requests in Nascar more than once because I knew the requestor was not running my product. It's irritating but I am not surprised on the Gibbs thing. E3 is a joke just like Splitfire was. Try to find one of them now.

[mt-engines]

Could you imagine Mark Martin stepping out of his car after a race and popping a Viagra on camera to please the sponsors? lol

NOOOoooooooooo!

[FC-Pilot]

And what about the cars with the boner pill sponsors??! Yikes!

A couple of the drivers did, all that happened was they got taller.

(Sorry, I could not resist)

Others do not run stickers of what they actually run because it does not look as cool in the magazines.

Paul

[swampbuggy]

Chase Elliott's Dry-Sump tank may very well have an oil made by Valvoline, but you can bet your ass it is "Not" a shelf oil. Mark H.

[David Redszus]

Chase Elliott's Dry-Sump tank may very well have an oil made by Valvoline, but you can bet your ass it is "Not" a shelf oil. Mark H.

If you could obtain a sample of Mr. Elliott's motor oil, a lab analysis would tell you all you need to know about
that oil. Not easy to get* and not much value unless you know what engine problem the lubrication engineers are
trying to solve. It ain't all bout goin faster.

*It's about as easy as swiping a Formula One tire.

[RDY4WAR]

That oil is ~7.5 cSt @ 212°F which makes it a light 20 grade or 16 grade. The base oil is ~60% group III, ~20% PAO, and ~20% ester/naphthalene. ZDDP concentration is only ~900-1000 ppm. (even in the flat tappet era) Friction modifiers is where the formula gets wicked. The FMs used are more effective than what you can get in any other oil or supplement and are 15-25x higher concentration. The EP additives are 2-3x typical concentrations. There's just enough detergent there to keep down acidic growth in a 500 mile race.

Now of course details like which type of ZDDP used, which FMs specifically, which types of PAO, and exact concentrations of it all is kept pretty quiet.

[MELWAY]

That oil is ~7.5 cSt @ 212°F which makes it a light 20 grade or 16 grade. The base oil is ~60% group III, ~20% PAO, and ~20% ester/naphthalene. ZDDP concentration is only ~900-1000 ppm. (even in the flat tappet era) Friction modifiers is where the formula gets wicked. The FMs used are more effective than what you can get in any other oil or supplement and are 15-25x higher concentration. The EP additives are 2-3x typical concentrations. There's just enough detergent there to keep down acidic growth in a 500 mile race.

Now of course details like which type of ZDDP used, which FMs specifically, which types of PAO, and exact concentrations of it all is kept pretty quiet.

Is Boron an ingredient used as a FM? And could an oil with a decent amount of boron but with lower zddp numbers still be a good oil at protecting and engine including flat tappet cam and lifters?

[RDY4WAR]

That oil is ~7.5 cSt @ 212°F which makes it a light 20 grade or 16 grade. The base oil is ~60% group III, ~20% PAO, and ~20% ester/naphthalene. ZDDP concentration is only ~900-1000 ppm. (even in the flat tappet era) Friction modifiers is where the formula gets wicked. The FMs used are more effective than what you can get in any other oil or supplement and are 15-25x higher concentration. The EP additives are 2-3x typical concentrations. There's just enough detergent there to keep down acidic growth in a 500 mile race.

Now of course details like which type of ZDDP used, which FMs specifically, which types of PAO, and exact concentrations of it all is kept pretty quiet.

Is Boron an ingredient used as a FM? And could an oil with a decent amount of boron but with lower zddp numbers still be a good oil at protecting and engine including flat tappet cam and lifters?

Boron is often in the form of borate ester which works as an extreme pressure additive. It has a double 5-member ring structure making it resistant to breakdown at high loads (hence EP). It works differently than ZDDP in that it doesn't breakdown into a protective layer over parts but instead circulates with the oil wherever it goes. This makes it less effective where you don't have a constant pressurized oil supply such as the lifter to lobe interface, but does well in areas like the pushrod tips. It's a great additive for high end solid roller applications that see a lot of shock loading on the pushrod tips when the lash gets taken up. Because of this, it can never fully replace ZDDP. It makes a good secondary anti-wear and EP additive though to compliment ZDDP in areas with high loads.