Suggestions for Running a Quiet Solid Roller Valvetrain
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Suggestions for Running a Quiet Solid Roller Valvetrain
Been trying to wrap my brain around the qualities of a “quiet” solid roller setup. Some people think that tight lash helps, but I’m wondering if that is the only useful aspect.
Things I think might affect the loudness of the sewing machine sound:
Lash ramp style
Lobe intensity
Lobe aggressiveness
Spring pressures
Roller style (bushed vs needles)
Intake manifold casting thickness
Are there any solid tips for reducing the volume to a pleasant amount? I have never run a solid roller but I want to have a moderate amount of “wife approval factor”. Would an endurance style lobe be quieter than aggressive? Is there that much difference between 180/450# springs and 200/500?
Also for people running Mike Jones cams, would you say the Inverse radius profile is more or less loud? I’ve seen one mention of them being quiet.
Things I think might affect the loudness of the sewing machine sound:
Lash ramp style
Lobe intensity
Lobe aggressiveness
Spring pressures
Roller style (bushed vs needles)
Intake manifold casting thickness
Are there any solid tips for reducing the volume to a pleasant amount? I have never run a solid roller but I want to have a moderate amount of “wife approval factor”. Would an endurance style lobe be quieter than aggressive? Is there that much difference between 180/450# springs and 200/500?
Also for people running Mike Jones cams, would you say the Inverse radius profile is more or less loud? I’ve seen one mention of them being quiet.
Re: Suggestions for Running a Quiet Solid Roller Valvetrain
On the Comp extreme Energy solid roller cams the sound of the valvetrain at idle gets noticabily quieter as you run tighter lash.. .016/.018" normal... tighten down to .008"/.014" range and you will hear the difference.
I believe on these street oriented roller cams this also
gives a minor benefit in service life..
Noted this on both sbc and bbc's..
Some roller rockers are quieter running than others.
The Scorpion aluminum roller rockers seem to be one of the brands/type that run quiet.
These cams make great street strip power without being a full race roller cam.
You can custom order just by calling them.
I would not use less of a spring than recomended.
I would not get too carried away with increased spring force than default. Especially on the sadi cast cam core.
It works well as a system for its purpose.
Yes a bit tighter lash tends to run a bit quieter.
I find that most people set the lash too loose more often than not, as a default...
Set at the cam card lash the idle sound is not excessive but when you do set the lash tighter than, it does run quieter.. Try it if thats what you prefer.
I believe the Lunati/UDHarold (and Bullet) street strip solid rollers and th Voodoo solud rollers will see a similar effect with similar +/- lash setting variation.
These are all designed and intended for street cars.
Not the same as a race roller...
I believe on these street oriented roller cams this also
gives a minor benefit in service life..
Noted this on both sbc and bbc's..
Some roller rockers are quieter running than others.
The Scorpion aluminum roller rockers seem to be one of the brands/type that run quiet.
These cams make great street strip power without being a full race roller cam.
You can custom order just by calling them.
I would not use less of a spring than recomended.
I would not get too carried away with increased spring force than default. Especially on the sadi cast cam core.
It works well as a system for its purpose.
Yes a bit tighter lash tends to run a bit quieter.
I find that most people set the lash too loose more often than not, as a default...
Set at the cam card lash the idle sound is not excessive but when you do set the lash tighter than, it does run quieter.. Try it if thats what you prefer.
I believe the Lunati/UDHarold (and Bullet) street strip solid rollers and th Voodoo solud rollers will see a similar effect with similar +/- lash setting variation.
These are all designed and intended for street cars.
Not the same as a race roller...
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If this is a regular car, you could try some sound insulation before starting to mess with the engine.
Underhood insulation removes a lot of sound, also insulating the inside of the car could make it very silent on the inside.
It really is night and day difference.
Also thickness of the oil could have an impact. I have experienced that myself atleast.
Underhood insulation removes a lot of sound, also insulating the inside of the car could make it very silent on the inside.
It really is night and day difference.
Also thickness of the oil could have an impact. I have experienced that myself atleast.
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Yes I plan on having a fully deadened firewall and maybe the whole floor as well. One thing I was considering is attaching a sheet of deadening material to the underside of the intake manifold. Perhaps lead or mass loaded vinyl or something to that effect.
Regarding the tighter lash settings: the one thing that has me weary of that will be the increased seat duration. I saw a post by Stan Weiss that had the lash ramps in an image that showed you could significantly increase seat duration by tightening lash. If a cam is spec’d correctly then it would be way off by going as tight as .008. I guess I could order a cam that was 20* short on duration and tighten the hell out of the rockers haha
Regarding the tighter lash settings: the one thing that has me weary of that will be the increased seat duration. I saw a post by Stan Weiss that had the lash ramps in an image that showed you could significantly increase seat duration by tightening lash. If a cam is spec’d correctly then it would be way off by going as tight as .008. I guess I could order a cam that was 20* short on duration and tighten the hell out of the rockers haha
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Re: Suggestions for Running a Quiet Solid Roller Valvetrain
I would stay within a reasonable window of lash settings, extreme on either end can get you in trouble.
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Run a tight lash, soft ramp & flank, street roller camshaft.
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Re: Suggestions for Running a Quiet Solid Roller Valvetrain
Comp marine lobes a more gentle as well.
If noise is a real issue and this a street car /weekend warrior type deal hydraulic roller might be considered.
Rocker cover quality can make a difference as well believe it or not.
If noise is a real issue and this a street car /weekend warrior type deal hydraulic roller might be considered.
Rocker cover quality can make a difference as well believe it or not.
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Valve covers absolutely, seen it and believe it.
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I’m running blue thunder valve covers. They’re cast aluminum and are absolutely dense, heaviest covers I’ve held, hopefully they transmit less sound than other designs.
So I notice tighter lash (like expected) and street grinds are important. Are any other factors relevant? I’m thinking the type of lifter bearing may make a difference, much like some rockers are noisier. Has anyone noticed a dlc or bronze bush bearing transmit less noise than traditional needle bearings?
So I notice tighter lash (like expected) and street grinds are important. Are any other factors relevant? I’m thinking the type of lifter bearing may make a difference, much like some rockers are noisier. Has anyone noticed a dlc or bronze bush bearing transmit less noise than traditional needle bearings?
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First time I ran steel rockers over aluminum ones, I swore I somehow missed the lash or this motor grew more when hot and loosened lash more then normal. After a circle track race, I swore the lash went from .018 to something in the high 30's it was so loud, lol.
I did swap back to aluminum just to see and it was pretty amazing how much quieter it was.
PS: the lash was right where it was supposed to be hot just sounded loose as hell
I did swap back to aluminum just to see and it was pretty amazing how much quieter it was.
PS: the lash was right where it was supposed to be hot just sounded loose as hell
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Ditto that!!!! First steel roller rockers I used was a couple years ago,I thought the same thing and have been concerned ever since. I had never had a valve train so noisy-ever,not even close.I check the lash regularly and it doesn't but barely vary after a couple hundred miles. I have set it very tight and at recommended and everything between ,still it sounds like a sewing machine on steroids. Dyno guy was so freaked out ,he pulled the covers and checked it out only to see all was as spec'd. I was chalking it up to the 1.9 ratio or a funky Comp prifile but now that I have seen your post I feel a lot better. Thanks!billet wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:02 pm First time I ran steel rockers over aluminum ones, I swore I somehow missed the lash or this motor grew more when hot and loosened lash more then normal. After a circle track race, I swore the lash went from .018 to something in the high 30's it was so loud, lol.
I did swap back to aluminum just to see and it was pretty amazing how much quieter it was.
PS: the lash was right where it was supposed to be hot just sounded loose as hell
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Noticed same same thing with steel roller rockers on a BBC.. , magnum roller.. Rockers sewing machone loud...
Got the owner to try tighter .012" lash (.020" normal)..
Much quieter but still too loud for a street machine..
Later date on teardown.. Cam good, roller lifters ready for change. steel roller rockers pouched..
Lots of street miles.
Got the owner to try tighter .012" lash (.020" normal)..
Much quieter but still too loud for a street machine..
Later date on teardown.. Cam good, roller lifters ready for change. steel roller rockers pouched..
Lots of street miles.
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A good hydraulic roller setup IF this is for mostly street cruising! Mine running fine after 12 years.
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The age old dilemma of knowing what you want and the other half not being as enthusiastic. Cruising with the spouse regularly may only happen with hyd roller.
Good luck and bless you.
Good luck and bless you.
I’m a Street/Strip guy..... like to think outside the quadrilateral parallelogram.
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Keyway lifters will eliminate tie bar rattle - but at significant cost!