Gm Fast Burn vs Ebay 200 Dart Pro 1 Copy

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Re: Gm Fast Burn vs Ebay 200 Dart Pro 1 Copy

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I see the P/N differences now between bare and assembled.

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Cheers mate worked it out✌️
The Dart copy Ebay head maybe a safer bet?
At least I know what I’m in for, as I need around 280cfm by 700 lift the achieve my goals
I wish I knew how much work the Gm head needs to make the flow?
I’ve never seen a fast burn in person, and the heads I’ve been offered are over 1000 miles away and I’d be buying them unseen not knowing if I can make them work myself?
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This is what I’ve been offered for your money approx $500 us?
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Somewhat handy with a die grinder.
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Seen that post too cheers
So many varying reports , which numbers do you take for gospel?
Do I need to try and find 20-30cfm to achieve my goals?
Or am chasing 45-50cfm? Which would definitely be out of my league in porting
Like I said I’ve never even seen a Gm Fadt burn in the flesh.
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I was hoping someone with some fast burn porting knowledge may have some imput?
Can a few little things help these ports cfm wise? Or is it hard work finding flow?
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Zing wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:20 am I was hoping someone with some fast burn porting knowledge may have some imput?
Can a few little things help these ports cfm wise? Or is it hard work finding flow?
Two guys I would give a shout out to.
Eric Weingartner. memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8292
Chad Speiers. memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=17359
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Re: Gm Fast Burn vs Ebay 200 Dart Pro 1 Copy

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Eric did a video series on that Dart copy. Just by doing a good valve job and installing 2.08 intake valves flow went to 277 @ .600 lift. Now if you also raise the roof above the shortside, perfect the shortside turn, widen it at the pinch a little, narrow the divider a little.....then I'd bet they'd be flowing 285 by .650. The bowls are already big-almost perfect as is for a 2.08.
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Bob Hollinshead wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:59 pm Eric did a video series on that Dart copy. Just by doing a good valve job and installing 2.08 intake valves flow went to 277 @ .600 lift. Now if you also raise the roof above the shortside, perfect the shortside turn, widen it at the pinch a little, narrow the divider a little.....then I'd bet they'd be flowing 285 by .650. The bowls are already big-almost perfect as is for a 2.08.
That's the video I was looking for.
Here's hoping the OP gets a look at it. Your description I believe checks all the boxes.

EDIT:
Found it. Thanks Bob.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZWpViKouWA&t=619s
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I picked up a pair myself and plan on doing the same on a 10.5-1 377 build. Cam I have is .650 and 245@ .050 on a 106 LSA. I'll have the head flowed to see where it ends up.
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Elroy wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:03 pm The exhaust port is raised but the bolt holes in the stock location. Takes some grinding and slotting etc to get a decent fit there.

In the right hands the fastburn can be pretty damn good. If you can buy them for the price of Chinese heads i would buy them regardless if you use them on this project.
Ya- the exhaust killed it for me, I already had good ss Edelbrock headers. AFR vortec was my choice.
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dfarr67 wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:38 pm
Elroy wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:03 pm The exhaust port is raised but the bolt holes in the stock location. Takes some grinding and slotting etc to get a decent fit there.

In the right hands the fastburn can be pretty damn good. If you can buy them for the price of Chinese heads i would buy them regardless if you use them on this project.
Ya- the exhaust killed it for me, I already had good ss Edelbrock headers. AFR vortec was my choice.
Very valid point.
It wasn't until I saw the catalogue picture that I realized how offset the exhaust port is. As posted, I can see that's a problem for header fitment. And whatever follows from there.
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Thanks for the advice fellas, yes I follow Weigartner Racing on YouTube, I’ve watched his videos on the KMJ Assault heads he does for his sisters car. Yes very easy and good flow numbers.
Eric seems a good guy and his videos are very informative.
I was sort of hoping there may have been a chance for the GM Fast Burn heads with similar mods, not the bigger valve but the rest etc.
Looks like I may have to pass on the Gm Fast Burn head deal, and purchase some Ebay Dart copies.
I previously sent a message to Randy331 asking his advice before I posted this post, as I have seen he has modded a few sets, and was hoping for his advice?
It’s a shame to pass up USA cast genuine Gm products, for Ebay China generics simply not from a price point of view, but the performance is just not there 😞😞
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Zing wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:17 pm Thanks for the advice fellas, yes I follow Weigartner Racing on YouTube, I’ve watched his videos on the KMJ Assault heads he does for his sisters car. Yes very easy and good flow numbers.
Eric seems a good guy and his videos are very informative.
I was sort of hoping there may have been a chance for the GM Fast Burn heads with similar mods, not the bigger valve but the rest etc.
Looks like I may have to pass on the Gm Fast Burn head deal, and purchase some Ebay Dart copies.
I previously sent a message to Randy331 asking his advice before I posted this post, as I have seen he has modded a few sets, and was hoping for his advice?
It’s a shame to pass up USA cast genuine Gm products, for Ebay China generics simply not from a price point of view, but the performance is just not there 😞😞
You probably won't get a response from Randy, unfortunately he has not been around for a while.i recommended reading all his posts and threads,he was one of the sharpest guys on this forum in my opinion
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