Always wondered.....
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Always wondered.....
Good day folks. I was going through some old photos of my 69 Camaro I picked up back in 1995. The previous owner was a young man who was desperate to get rid of it. When I went to see it, he didn't know much about the 355 small block that the previous owner before him had installed in it. When I purchased it, I had to basically play detective and remove the front of the engine to get to the cam. I got the grind number off of the cam and it was a large Crane Saturday Night Special hydraulic with over 250 degrees @ .050 on a 106 LSA. What puzzled me was there was a Jomar stud girdle with Harland Sharp roller rockers on a set of ported Dart 2 Sportsman heads. My question back then was why would you need a stud girdle for a hydraulic cam that is RPM limited? No one back then could give me an honest answer as to why. When I was checking out the pictures, the question popped back in my head after 27 years. I know...weird thing to wonder about after all this time...
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I wouldn't just automatically assume that it was RPM limited because it was hydraulic.
I have worked with hydraulic roller systems that would spin clean to about 8,800 RPM on a spin test rig with lift loss that was comparable to what would normally be seen with some.solid rollers.
I have worked with hydraulic roller systems that would spin clean to about 8,800 RPM on a spin test rig with lift loss that was comparable to what would normally be seen with some.solid rollers.
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Re: Always wondered.....
Many things are done because they look cool or someone told them it's a good idea. Often not related to good functionality.
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Stud girdles are cool and look racie. Some see them in a book, magazine or the performance parts shop and need to have them. I have put girdles on hydraulic cams before when I just wanted to make sure I did not have studs flexing while running decent rpm with a hydraulic lifter cam. Overkill, but gave me some piece of mind. I also have a brother that wanted them on his hydraulic cam as that way he knew he would not have a rocker back off on him (those were his words). Anyway, that is three reasons right there, and I am sure there is even more than that.
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The only time I ever run a stud girdle is with a large solid lift cam and mostly on Roller cams. I have found with using them my valve lash stays better in check. On a street car with a hyd cam not needed IMO.
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That's the idea I was having at the time. When I first initially removed the valve covers I thought it must be a solid flat tappet. Then I checked the grind number and thought what the heck.
I appreciate all of your responses, like I stated earlier, its weird what pops into your head sometimes. Unfortunately I had to sell the car a number of years ago, but its nice to reminisce about the good times I had with that vehicle. Many thanks.
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Very few projects are clean-sheet well-thought-out builds.
Entirely possible the heads were left over from some race car project and were used with the soupy cam just because he had them.
Entirely possible the heads were left over from some race car project and were used with the soupy cam just because he had them.
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I have built many flat tappet hydraulic SBC engines that would spin past 7500 rpm and I used 7/16" studs in most of them.
Take some 3/8" studs and I would like something to make them a bit stiffer.
And like mentioned maybe that stuff was already on hand.
Take some 3/8" studs and I would like something to make them a bit stiffer.
And like mentioned maybe that stuff was already on hand.
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Yes,
And possibly the OP- SP2 heads had 3/8" studs??hence the girdle.
I think spring control dictates if lash moves.
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Re: Always wondered.....
Using a stud girdle may not be of any help but, it certainly won't be a detriment at any time to anything with a stud valve train.
I have witnessed some very, VERY aggressive hydraulic lifter camshafts; especially some high lift hydraulic rollers.
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There are two reasons to run a stud girdle on a hydraulic lifter engine. One is to reinforce flexing studs and allow one to drive home if a stud breaks- for any reason. I do not like riding in tow trucks. The second is to positively clamp the valve lash adjusting nuts so your set clearance doesn't change. Call it insurance and/or an alternative to shaft rockers.
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Thanks for the replies. In guessing it was installed for reliability sake. Makes sense to me now.jsgarage wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:04 pm There are two reasons to run a stud girdle on a hydraulic lifter engine. One is to reinforce flexing studs and allow one to drive home if a stud breaks- for any reason. I do not like riding in tow trucks. The second is to positively clamp the valve lash adjusting nuts so your set clearance doesn't change. Call it insurance and/or an alternative to shaft rockers.
Thanks again.