Notice To Veterans

[Dave Koehler]

Truck
That's trucked up....but glad it worked out.
I don't want them messing with the medicare either unless it is an improvement. I worked too many years for that dubious honor.
No complaints. Between medicare and the supplemental ins. company that basically ramrods the whole thing I got my eyes fixed with little outlay.
This year I had Thyroid cancer. Found it by accident when getting a scan for general health further down.
Sharp eyed tech said hey, there is something going on it little further up at the edge of the scan picture. And we are off!!
Sliced from ear to ear. Quite the after experience.
The State Fuhrer's lock down left me without a barber. I had a David Crosby look going on. Kids kind of dug it. The grandkids not so much. Weird.
Freaked out the barber a little when he cut off the locks and found the scars.

They said it might affect speaking some. Voice changed a little. Still can't sing so that was a disappointment.
Got some nerves dead around the back of my ears.
Got it all according to the docs. No serious out of pocket either. A win/win.

This election is the most serious and important one in my lifetime so yeah....It's sink or swim time.

[enigma57]

Tony and Dave...... Glad to hear you rec'd excellent medical treatment and are doing well now!

Best regards,

Harry

[Fireonthemountain]

The AK chambered in 7.62×39mm is a good weapon for home defense where you are dealing with intruders at close range, Paul. But I prefer a shotgun if I'm dealing with something like that in a dark house at 0-dark thirty in the morning.

Actually...... I'd love to have a couple AA-12's for home defense. 12 gauge, fully auto with drum magazines. Russian military issue. Can't seem to get them in the States though. Ditto Saiga in similar config. but Saiga has a lot more recoil. With the AA-12, you can keep it on target even when firing one handed and just hammer away......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuBPL81DbLU

Best regards,

Harry

Hey a shotgun post

Saw what was coming with this mini ice age we are currently in (destroys food crops because the weather patterns change), and then saw the shutdown of a large section of China shutdown including agriculture because of viruses, including African Swine fever.

So with food being destroyed worldwide on a massive scale, and the collapse of normal supply lines for anything I knew I need more firepower. Not for a war, but for defense and to ward off those that might be looking for easy targets.

So logic and a background in weapons lead me to buy a 12ga Stoeger Coachgun. Simple, and fairly reliable with few moving parts, and cheap to buy and for ammo, that can almost always be found or made. Then I cut the stock down some to install a kick eez recoil pad over an inch thick. And added a $30 red dot sight to its top V rail, plus a magnetic HIVIZ front sight over its bead sight in case the scope fails, and I had to take it off.

The versatility of ammo for this hand cannon is impressive. I can fire just about any other non 12ga rounds, with slip in adapters. Then you get into all the 12ga shells and what they can do like buckshot, bird shot, wax slugs, Foster and other slugs, or Dragon's Breath.
My favorite is 7 1/2 bird shot bound by melted hard wax, like crayons.

The wax slug keeps on the shot together until it hits something, then dumps all its energy fast. Over penetration of zombies or 1/2 inch sheet rock walls is not a problem. Yet they will blow a nice size hole in a steel 55 gallon barrel at 50 yards. Not bad for 7 1/2 bird shot in wax.

An over 437 grain bullet, at over 1000 feet a second. In gel it goes about 5-6 inches in and has created a wound or damage about 5-6 inches across, in a spray pattern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSaqqKz5zyc

https://youtu.be/OOxw1BxY4wY

https://youtu.be/5LySCerkVrs

https://youtu.be/IEZd6-eBqFA

Add a pinch of steel wool, to your self defense short range wax slug and you get fire on the mountain run boys run, as red hot steel peppers all of them, plus the power of a wax slug.

https://youtu.be/vEmuJuwz4K0

Dragons Breath
https://youtu.be/PF8HeGmOqh0

I figure a dangerous looking short double barrel is perfect for preventing trouble, and aiming at the crotch. 2 shots are plenty out of a 12ga for self defense. And with the right shells a lot safer for other people.

[pdq67]

He, He!!

"So logic and a background in weapons lead me to buy a 12ga Stoeger Coachgun."

Fuckin A!!

Or a cheap Maverick 88 12 pump long magazine!! (4) 0-0 buck and 4 slugs staggered to go..

pdq67

[HS Nova]

Better buy a couple more SKS's or AK-47's and spam cans of ammo for future protection of you and your loved ones AND before THEY figure out how to stop us.

pdq67

The cops will be knocking down your door and confiscating all your weapons if you try.

[pdq67]

Like I have said in the past!

They can take my gun from my cold stiff hand if they want it that bad?

I do figure that i lose if I only get one or two, but if I get 6 or 7, then I win!!

pdq67

[enigma57]

Hey a shotgun post

Saw what was coming with this mini ice age we are currently in (destroys food crops because the weather patterns change), and then saw the shutdown of a large section of China shutdown including agriculture because of viruses, including African Swine fever.

So with food being destroyed worldwide on a massive scale, and the collapse of normal supply lines for anything I knew I need more firepower. Not for a war, but for defense and to ward off those that might be looking for easy targets.

So logic and a background in weapons lead me to buy a 12ga Stoeger Coachgun. Simple, and fairly reliable with few moving parts, and cheap to buy and for ammo, that can almost always be found or made. Then I cut the stock down some to install a kick eez recoil pad over an inch thick. And added a $30 red dot sight to its top V rail, plus a magnetic HIVIZ front sight over its bead sight in case the scope fails, and I had to take it off.

The versatility of ammo for this hand cannon is impressive. I can fire just about any other non 12ga rounds, with slip in adapters. Then you get into all the 12ga shells and what they can do like buckshot, bird shot, wax slugs, Foster and other slugs, or Dragon's Breath.
My favorite is 7 1/2 bird shot bound by melted hard wax, like crayons.

The wax slug keeps on the shot together until it hits something, then dumps all its energy fast. Over penetration of zombies or 1/2 inch sheet rock walls is not a problem. Yet they will blow a nice size hole in a steel 55 gallon barrel at 50 yards. Not bad for 7 1/2 bird shot in wax.

An over 437 grain bullet, at over 1000 feet a second. In gel it goes about 5-6 inches in and has created a wound or damage about 5-6 inches across, in a spray pattern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSaqqKz5zyc

https://youtu.be/OOxw1BxY4wY

https://youtu.be/5LySCerkVrs

https://youtu.be/IEZd6-eBqFA

Add a pinch of steel wool, to your self defense short range wax slug and you get fire on the mountain run boys run, as red hot steel peppers all of them, plus the power of a wax slug.

https://youtu.be/vEmuJuwz4K0

Dragons Breath
https://youtu.be/PF8HeGmOqh0

I figure a dangerous looking short double barrel is perfect for preventing trouble, and aiming at the crotch. 2 shots are plenty out of a 12ga for self defense. And with the right shells a lot safer for other people.

Interesting post, Fireonthemountain! Actually, one scenario I have considered is to pick up several Stoeger coach guns and station 2 or 3 of them in 3 locations in our home as home defense weaponry. The idea being that even a really good semi-auto shotgun that holds 8 or 10 shells won't do you any good if its located across the house and you cannot get to it when needed. Or jams.

Around here, you must prepare for 3 to 4 drug crazed thugs kicking in your door and rushing you (both front and rear doors simultaneously if they can get to the rear door). So the need is for a firearm with good stopping power that is easy to use, not likely to jam and has sufficient capacity (forget reloading in the middle of a firefight, that dog don't hunt.

Bottom line...... I have never known anyone who just survived a firefight say that they wish they'd had a smaller calibre firearm nor a weapon that held fewer rounds. Myself included.

Several Stoeger coach guns as primary weapons should suffice if you have a large calibre pistol as a backup. All things considered, I would prefer 12 gauge, triple aught buck loads. I see no need for a scope on such a gun, given the distances involved and the likelihood that it will be pitch black and I don't want a light nor a noisy pump action that might give away my position, either. Having a bad right shoulder, I agree that it would be a good idea to install a pad to better dampen recoil. If I can find any, I'd like to make recoil pads from Sorbothane. Will let you know how it works out.

Best regards,

Harry

[lefty o]

Hey a shotgun post

Saw what was coming with this mini ice age we are currently in (destroys food crops because the weather patterns change), and then saw the shutdown of a large section of China shutdown including agriculture because of viruses, including African Swine fever.

So with food being destroyed worldwide on a massive scale, and the collapse of normal supply lines for anything I knew I need more firepower. Not for a war, but for defense and to ward off those that might be looking for easy targets.

So logic and a background in weapons lead me to buy a 12ga Stoeger Coachgun. Simple, and fairly reliable with few moving parts, and cheap to buy and for ammo, that can almost always be found or made. Then I cut the stock down some to install a kick eez recoil pad over an inch thick. And added a $30 red dot sight to its top V rail, plus a magnetic HIVIZ front sight over its bead sight in case the scope fails, and I had to take it off.

The versatility of ammo for this hand cannon is impressive. I can fire just about any other non 12ga rounds, with slip in adapters. Then you get into all the 12ga shells and what they can do like buckshot, bird shot, wax slugs, Foster and other slugs, or Dragon's Breath.
My favorite is 7 1/2 bird shot bound by melted hard wax, like crayons.

The wax slug keeps on the shot together until it hits something, then dumps all its energy fast. Over penetration of zombies or 1/2 inch sheet rock walls is not a problem. Yet they will blow a nice size hole in a steel 55 gallon barrel at 50 yards. Not bad for 7 1/2 bird shot in wax.

An over 437 grain bullet, at over 1000 feet a second. In gel it goes about 5-6 inches in and has created a wound or damage about 5-6 inches across, in a spray pattern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSaqqKz5zyc

https://youtu.be/OOxw1BxY4wY

https://youtu.be/5LySCerkVrs

https://youtu.be/IEZd6-eBqFA

Add a pinch of steel wool, to your self defense short range wax slug and you get fire on the mountain run boys run, as red hot steel peppers all of them, plus the power of a wax slug.

https://youtu.be/vEmuJuwz4K0

Dragons Breath
https://youtu.be/PF8HeGmOqh0

I figure a dangerous looking short double barrel is perfect for preventing trouble, and aiming at the crotch. 2 shots are plenty out of a 12ga for self defense. And with the right shells a lot safer for other people.

Interesting post, Fireonthemountain! Actually, one scenario I have considered is to pick up several Stoeger coach guns and station 2 or 3 of them in 3 locations in our home as home defense weaponry. The idea being that even a really good semi-auto shotgun that holds 8 or 10 shells won't do you any good if its located across the house and you cannot get to it when needed. Or jams.

Around here, you must prepare for 3 to 4 drug crazed thugs kicking in your door and rushing you (both front and rear doors simultaneously if they can get to the rear door). So the need is for a firearm with good stopping power that is easy to use, not likely to jam and has sufficient capacity (forget reloading in the middle of a firefight, that dog don't hunt.

Bottom line...... I have never known anyone who just survived a firefight say that they wish they'd had a smaller calibre firearm nor a weapon that held fewer rounds. Myself included.

Several Stoeger coach guns as primary weapons should suffice if you have a large calibre pistol as a backup. All things considered, I would prefer 12 gauge, triple aught buck loads. I see no need for a scope on such a gun, given the distances involved and the likelihood that it will be pitch black and I don't want a light nor a noisy pump action that might give away my position, either. Having a bad right shoulder, I agree that it would be a good idea to install a pad to better dampen recoil. If I can find any, I'd like to make recoil pads from Sorbothane. Will let you know how it works out.

Best regards,

Harry

just my personal opinion, but id not trust my life to anything made by stoeger. your life, you do you. for what you want to do, id opt for a handful of remingturd870's (they are cheap used everywhere), or mossturd 500's. kickeze and limbsaver make very good recoil pads for those that need them. no need to give away your position with a pump, keep em loaded. they do no good unloaded, and most peoples motor skills go to crap in a fight.

[enigma57]

Thanks, lefty! I do like the Remington 870 tactical version except that I really dislike pump action shotguns. If money were no object (it is, though)...... I'd prefer a semi-auto magazine fed design based on the AK platform. But with semi-autos, there is always a chance of jamming. Pump action is less likely to jam but when all hell breaks loose, its easy to short stroke the pump.

Especially for my wife, who must be able to use all our home defense weaponry as well. So I will stay with a 12 gauge double barrel shotgun and cut down the barrels to 18-1/4" so its easy to maneuver in the tight confines of a dark home at night. And station 3 of them at each of our 3 stash points. With a double action revolver as a backup weapon, that should be easy enough for the wife to use without having to remember a lot of operational details in the heat of the moment.

One thing I need to look at though...... Coach guns typically have shell extractors rather than ejectors, as they are used for cowboy competition and cannot have any improvements that weren't available priour to 1900. So may need to go with a longer barrel field version and cut it down to desired barrel length.

Many thanks for the tips and I will be checking out the recoil pads you mentioned, as well.

Best regards,

Harry

[Fireonthemountain]

Hey a shotgun post

Saw what was coming with this mini ice age we are currently in (destroys food crops because the weather patterns change), and then saw the shutdown of a large section of China shutdown including agriculture because of viruses, including African Swine fever.

So with food being destroyed worldwide on a massive scale, and the collapse of normal supply lines for anything I knew I need more firepower. Not for a war, but for defense and to ward off those that might be looking for easy targets.

So logic and a background in weapons lead me to buy a 12ga Stoeger Coachgun. Simple, and fairly reliable with few moving parts, and cheap to buy and for ammo, that can almost always be found or made. Then I cut the stock down some to install a kick eez recoil pad over an inch thick. And added a $30 red dot sight to its top V rail, plus a magnetic HIVIZ front sight over its bead sight in case the scope fails, and I had to take it off.

The versatility of ammo for this hand cannon is impressive. I can fire just about any other non 12ga rounds, with slip in adapters. Then you get into all the 12ga shells and what they can do like buckshot, bird shot, wax slugs, Foster and other slugs, or Dragon's Breath.
My favorite is 7 1/2 bird shot bound by melted hard wax, like crayons.

The wax slug keeps on the shot together until it hits something, then dumps all its energy fast. Over penetration of zombies or 1/2 inch sheet rock walls is not a problem. Yet they will blow a nice size hole in a steel 55 gallon barrel at 50 yards. Not bad for 7 1/2 bird shot in wax.

An over 437 grain bullet, at over 1000 feet a second. In gel it goes about 5-6 inches in and has created a wound or damage about 5-6 inches across, in a spray pattern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSaqqKz5zyc

https://youtu.be/OOxw1BxY4wY

https://youtu.be/5LySCerkVrs

https://youtu.be/IEZd6-eBqFA

Add a pinch of steel wool, to your self defense short range wax slug and you get fire on the mountain run boys run, as red hot steel peppers all of them, plus the power of a wax slug.

https://youtu.be/vEmuJuwz4K0

Dragons Breath
https://youtu.be/PF8HeGmOqh0

I figure a dangerous looking short double barrel is perfect for preventing trouble, and aiming at the crotch. 2 shots are plenty out of a 12ga for self defense. And with the right shells a lot safer for other people.

Interesting post, Fireonthemountain! Actually, one scenario I have considered is to pick up several Stoeger coach guns and station 2 or 3 of them in 3 locations in our home as home defense weaponry. The idea being that even a really good semi-auto shotgun that holds 8 or 10 shells won't do you any good if its located across the house and you cannot get to it when needed. Or jams.

Around here, you must prepare for 3 to 4 drug crazed thugs kicking in your door and rushing you (both front and rear doors simultaneously if they can get to the rear door). So the need is for a firearm with good stopping power that is easy to use, not likely to jam and has sufficient capacity (forget reloading in the middle of a firefight, that dog don't hunt.

Bottom line...... I have never known anyone who just survived a firefight say that they wish they'd had a smaller calibre firearm nor a weapon that held fewer rounds. Myself included.

Several Stoeger coach guns as primary weapons should suffice if you have a large calibre pistol as a backup. All things considered, I would prefer 12 gauge, triple aught buck loads. I see no need for a scope on such a gun, given the distances involved and the likelihood that it will be pitch black and I don't want a light nor a noisy pump action that might give away my position, either. Having a bad right shoulder, I agree that it would be a good idea to install a pad to better dampen recoil. If I can find any, I'd like to make recoil pads from Sorbothane. Will let you know how it works out.

Best regards,

Harry

Thanks..
Here, where I live the people of all groups are pretty well armed, so we don't see the home invasion tactics seen in less gun oriented areas. I have seen a number of such invasions on youtube, and generally when the bullets start flying the game is over instantly and they run. I doubt they check the make and model, or the size of the round the home owner is sending their way. Inside a house everything sounds loud when fired, and may damage hearing. I also have a Baby Browning 25, that would ring the ears pretty bad fired inside. I bought it for my mother just before leaving for the army.

While I like a 12ga, because of the amount of ammo on the shelves, a double 20ga would world just fine at close range. Here is a guy who looks at various guns for self defense including shotguns.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6QH13 ... nSa0hZy9uQ

Then there is Demolition Ranch and here is one on is bird shot enough for home defense.

https://youtu.be/3gGCedWUkk8

His videos are mostly fun and informative and go back about 10 years, and he is an animal doctor.

https://www.youtube.com/user/DemolitionRanch/videos

On the redot scope I can see through it, even with my bad eyes in low light inside, and can easily see the lit up aim point on it's screen, when seeing the bead would be hard or impossible.There is no light seen on the business side of the barrels. I used 2 shotgun shell laser bore sighters, to zero the scope.

The basic model of the coachgun I got is light weight (6.5 lbs) and had no recoil pad, just a plastic plate on the butt of the stock.

On ejectors reloading is not planned, as FBI statistics show 2 shots or less out of a shotgun ends situations. 5 guys might be planning on coming through a door, but the first blast should send the other 4 running, as panic and common sense kicks in.
Dwight

[Fireonthemountain]

Hey a shotgun post

Saw what was coming with this mini ice age we are currently in (destroys food crops because the weather patterns change), and then saw the shutdown of a large section of China shutdown including agriculture because of viruses, including African Swine fever.

So with food being destroyed worldwide on a massive scale, and the collapse of normal supply lines for anything I knew I need more firepower. Not for a war, but for defense and to ward off those that might be looking for easy targets.

So logic and a background in weapons lead me to buy a 12ga Stoeger Coachgun. Simple, and fairly reliable with few moving parts, and cheap to buy and for ammo, that can almost always be found or made. Then I cut the stock down some to install a kick eez recoil pad over an inch thick. And added a $30 red dot sight to its top V rail, plus a magnetic HIVIZ front sight over its bead sight in case the scope fails, and I had to take it off.

The versatility of ammo for this hand cannon is impressive. I can fire just about any other non 12ga rounds, with slip in adapters. Then you get into all the 12ga shells and what they can do like buckshot, bird shot, wax slugs, Foster and other slugs, or Dragon's Breath.
My favorite is 7 1/2 bird shot bound by melted hard wax, like crayons.

The wax slug keeps on the shot together until it hits something, then dumps all its energy fast. Over penetration of zombies or 1/2 inch sheet rock walls is not a problem. Yet they will blow a nice size hole in a steel 55 gallon barrel at 50 yards. Not bad for 7 1/2 bird shot in wax.

An over 437 grain bullet, at over 1000 feet a second. In gel it goes about 5-6 inches in and has created a wound or damage about 5-6 inches across, in a spray pattern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSaqqKz5zyc

https://youtu.be/OOxw1BxY4wY

https://youtu.be/5LySCerkVrs

https://youtu.be/IEZd6-eBqFA

Add a pinch of steel wool, to your self defense short range wax slug and you get fire on the mountain run boys run, as red hot steel peppers all of them, plus the power of a wax slug.

https://youtu.be/vEmuJuwz4K0

Dragons Breath
https://youtu.be/PF8HeGmOqh0

I figure a dangerous looking short double barrel is perfect for preventing trouble, and aiming at the crotch. 2 shots are plenty out of a 12ga for self defense. And with the right shells a lot safer for other people.

Interesting post, Fireonthemountain! Actually, one scenario I have considered is to pick up several Stoeger coach guns and station 2 or 3 of them in 3 locations in our home as home defense weaponry. The idea being that even a really good semi-auto shotgun that holds 8 or 10 shells won't do you any good if its located across the house and you cannot get to it when needed. Or jams.

Around here, you must prepare for 3 to 4 drug crazed thugs kicking in your door and rushing you (both front and rear doors simultaneously if they can get to the rear door). So the need is for a firearm with good stopping power that is easy to use, not likely to jam and has sufficient capacity (forget reloading in the middle of a firefight, that dog don't hunt.

Bottom line...... I have never known anyone who just survived a firefight say that they wish they'd had a smaller calibre firearm nor a weapon that held fewer rounds. Myself included.

Several Stoeger coach guns as primary weapons should suffice if you have a large calibre pistol as a backup. All things considered, I would prefer 12 gauge, triple aught buck loads. I see no need for a scope on such a gun, given the distances involved and the likelihood that it will be pitch black and I don't want a light nor a noisy pump action that might give away my position, either. Having a bad right shoulder, I agree that it would be a good idea to install a pad to better dampen recoil. If I can find any, I'd like to make recoil pads from Sorbothane. Will let you know how it works out.

Best regards,

Harry

just my personal opinion, but id not trust my life to anything made by stoeger. your life, you do you. for what you want to do, id opt for a handful of remingturd870's (they are cheap used everywhere), or mossturd 500's. kickeze and limbsaver make very good recoil pads for those that need them. no need to give away your position with a pump, keep em loaded. they do no good unloaded, and most peoples motor skills go to crap in a fight.

The new Stoeger Coach gun I reworked, and put in two stainless steel firing pins, and I slicked up the action to where is opens easily, once I redid the level spring, and chopped a little off the rod that pushes the safety on, when cocked. Now its just a manual safety. Its the dual trigger model, and they have had trouble with the single trigger model.

When I loaded my laser shells in both barrels the dots were just a few inches or less apart, at 10-15 feet.

[lefty o]

Interesting post, Fireonthemountain! Actually, one scenario I have considered is to pick up several Stoeger coach guns and station 2 or 3 of them in 3 locations in our home as home defense weaponry. The idea being that even a really good semi-auto shotgun that holds 8 or 10 shells won't do you any good if its located across the house and you cannot get to it when needed. Or jams.

Around here, you must prepare for 3 to 4 drug crazed thugs kicking in your door and rushing you (both front and rear doors simultaneously if they can get to the rear door). So the need is for a firearm with good stopping power that is easy to use, not likely to jam and has sufficient capacity (forget reloading in the middle of a firefight, that dog don't hunt.

Bottom line...... I have never known anyone who just survived a firefight say that they wish they'd had a smaller calibre firearm nor a weapon that held fewer rounds. Myself included.

Several Stoeger coach guns as primary weapons should suffice if you have a large calibre pistol as a backup. All things considered, I would prefer 12 gauge, triple aught buck loads. I see no need for a scope on such a gun, given the distances involved and the likelihood that it will be pitch black and I don't want a light nor a noisy pump action that might give away my position, either. Having a bad right shoulder, I agree that it would be a good idea to install a pad to better dampen recoil. If I can find any, I'd like to make recoil pads from Sorbothane. Will let you know how it works out.

Best regards,

Harry

just my personal opinion, but id not trust my life to anything made by stoeger. your life, you do you. for what you want to do, id opt for a handful of remingturd870's (they are cheap used everywhere), or mossturd 500's. kickeze and limbsaver make very good recoil pads for those that need them. no need to give away your position with a pump, keep em loaded. they do no good unloaded, and most peoples motor skills go to crap in a fight.

The new Stoeger Coach gun I reworked, and put in two stainless steel firing pins, and I slicked up the action to where is opens easily, once I redid the level spring, and chopped a little off the rod that pushes the safety on, when cocked. Now its just a manual safety. Its the dual trigger model, and they have had trouble with the single trigger model.

When I loaded my laser shells in both barrels the dots were just a few inches or less apart, at 10-15 feet.

most stoeger shotguns ive seen and heard of have had firing pins issues, soft springs, and seem to have more than their fair share of cracked stocks. might be ok for a game gun, not something im betting my life on. of course that is my opinion, and everyone can bet their life however they want.

[enigma57]

Thanks for the links, Dwight! I will go through them this evening. FWIW...... I live in Texas. In the county NW of Houston. Most folks here are well armed...... Including the thugs. Our problem is that Houston (and Houston crime) have moved out to our area (and 50 miles past) over the past 25 years. Wife is still working and the only reason we are still here is to limit her commute to between 1 hr. and 1-1/2 hr. each way. If it weren't for that, we would be at least 150 miles from here. Hate the Chinese plague but having her here working from home via computer since early March has been a blessing.

Regarding shotgun gauge, I will stay with 12 gauge. Have researched shells and have settled on triple aught buck based upon size and number of pellets, grouping and how well it would stop a drug crazed 250 lb. thug charging you. I believe that is the best compromise for my purposes. On the question of shell extractors VS ejectors...... I realize the chance of reloading either a shotgun or a revolver during a firefight is remote. However, one of the drills I have had my wife train on is having several double barrel shotguns stationed in our chosen places about our home and working as a team whilst she hands me a loaded shotgun and reloads as I fire the others. Or if I am wounded, the reverse.

The thugs we have here do not stop and consider or reason whether it is smart to continue when they kick in your door or rush you as you arrive or depart in your car same as someone in their right mind might. They are usually so drugged up and intent on murder and mayhem that your best bet is to take them out with a single shot and methodically move on to the next until you have finished them off. Based upon what we have seen over the past several years here including drug deals gone bad and shootouts in the neighbourhood park area...... Once a firefight begins, it will continue until everyone not killed outright can no longer fire their weapon. In short, all parties tend to stand their ground and fight until they can no longer do so including cases where all parties have mortally wounded one another and the Sheriff's deputies must sort it all out when the bodies are found the following morning. That's what we are dealing with here and that is the situation those who live in areas where the local powers that be want to defund the police will soon find themselves in, as well.

Lefty and Fireonthemountain...... Thanks for sharing that information regarding reliability issues with the Brazilian made Stoeger shotguns. I will look into this and if need be, will pick up a more reliable shotgun to use for home defense. Other than the simplicity of operation, the main reason for considering stationing several double barrel shotguns throughout our home rather than picking up a couple semi-autos or pump actions is reliability.

Best regards,

Harry

[Dave Koehler]

Since 12ga is about the only ammo available perhaps I should add a shotgun to my mix.

[lefty o]

https://img.apmcdn.org/b80ebae24904abc8 ... n-show.jpg this should be your first line of defense. they will let you know when people are where they dont belong, and those same people now have something to contend with while you prepare to defend yourself, and also call the cops so they can come after its all over. little foofoo dogs need not apply. they might make noise, but wont slow anybody down.