How far a moderator of Don Terrils Speed talk can go?

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How far a moderator of Don Terrils Speed talk can go?

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Hello guys,

I am new to the board and I am really happy about the density of engine enthusiasts and specialists of different fields. I had already very helpfully discussions here, which inspired me.

Yesterday I came across a thread in the David Vizard forum called "Jon Schmidt Video cam rebuff" by David Vizard. I would not open this thread as David Vizard wouldn't be a Moderator of this honourable Forum. I don't know Don Terrill, but would he accept such a moderator talk like Mr. Vizard had about a member here? I am Admin and Moderator of another engine forum and speeches like that wouldn't be accepted especially not by a Moderator team mate.

To some facts of the thread: viewtopic.php?f=46&t=65549
David Vizard wrote:Hey guys - it's been a long time since I have been here but work overload and ill health have stolen so much of my time - -

Anyway I am sure most of you are aware that I now have a very active Youtube channel at 'David Vizard Performance' Check it out - it's climbing the subscription ladder fast.

One of my soon to be published video's is the last debate that John Schmidt and I had on cam events vs cam dynamics - which was the most important.

I found John a very difficult person to debate so I have decided to do a video on just this subject to show conclusively HE WAS WSRONG.

JOHN - ANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS?????
A SIMPLE YES OR NO WILL DO.
David Vizard


I don't mind the self advertising, but this speech is not the kind of communication should like. So I am asking you, should a Moderator be allowed to keep such speeches in a public and honourable forum?

In my opinion David Vizard should talk to Jon Schmidt from face to face and not use this platform here for his claims not to say bashing. Moderators are per definition here to moderate technical, communicative and organization stuff in a forum, but not personal stuff. One earns respect by respectful behaviour, which I can't see here.

Would be great to know your opinions.
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I agree 100%, I find the post demeaning and it should not be allowed.
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Kind of shows his true colors, and one of the reasons I don't have the same admiration as some others have for him. Surprised more don't see it. It's not the first time it's happened.
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Thanks guys for your feedback. I would be interested was the Moderator team (@CamKing, @BigBlockMopar) is thinking of it.
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rather than cancelling someone, we could allow people the freedom to make their own judgements. There is value in DV's stuff, even if it comes with some attitude. I was contacted by a speedtalk regular many years ago who gave me alot of wisdom and good advice, even though he turned out to be painfully hard to deal with. Was still worth it to me.
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Just to be clear. Don Terrill passed away back in 2018(??). David Vizard is not a Moderator but has his own section on the Forum. I don't know if he paid for this or not. Camking (Mike Jones) owns Speedtalk now.
I too thought it was in bad taste.
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Thanks for your reply's.

Seems the moderators do not have any interest on that or no time to care or respond about it. I see in online talks wording get sometimes more harsh and angry then in a real face to face situation, as body and face communication are missed. Online that get sometimes compensated by an higher anger intensity, but should we accept this?

For me it is clear, I don't accept such mean wording. Imagine Vizzard would have taken up the speech up directly to Schmidt. Both would have been able to understand why and how, non would have been blamed in public, just to justify the own knowledge. Learning has something to do with curiosity, when we loose that and begin to defend what we are think we have already learned to be the pure evidence, then learning has slowed down.

A read a view books from David Vizzard, I appreciate his publications, there was a lot of to learn about the aimed topic and about David himself. I lectured myself at University as a Honorary Prof. and I know transferring knowledge from oneself to others all the time can build up the imagination of oneself to be assumed to be the source of knowledge on various topics. But we all know, a teacher/lecturer is only a transfer instance of collected knowledge of others, where we may have added something. I can imagine David has that issue of feeling to be the center of knowledge, but from his books, e.g. "How to port & flow test cylinder heads" I see a potential to add further knowledge to that, as engine design has so many different routes, leading to the same result, which is always the case when system get complex and have dependencies on sub system level.

So if David don't accept recognition's of others, he may not have understood the system configuration of other's. Blaming others for the lack of understanding may show the lack of understanding on his own side. Thence a face to face talk of these both would have been better, for both.

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Post by FuelieNova »

My thought is everyone is a big boy. Both people in the thread offer a lot of knowledge whether we like the attitude or not.
I tend to let Mike worry about what is out of line and what isn't.
Get on Vizards YouTube channel, he discussed the situation.
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You don't pick and choose what someone can say. You pick and choose what you want to hear, read or believe.

I choose not to listen to Vizard. I also choose not to listen to a lot of people.

There are plenty of arrogant assholes on this site who berate and belittle others. I would never suggest silencing them.

If you're "offended" by something that someone says, then don't listen to it.

We're supposed to be adults, not children who get "triggered" when they see or hear something they don't like.
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While the whole episode was rather unedifying, it's what happens when people of a certain mentality / standing / ego (delete as applicable) butt heads on a public forum ......

As said, most members are adult enough to make up their own mind, without being told how to do it, so it's really it's a case of 'nothing to see here, move along'

As to the moderation, I'm very much a fan of it being 'light touch', but it will always be a case of 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' ...... glad it's not my job

LotusElise wrote:Seems the moderators do not have any interest on that or no time to care or respond about it.

Regarding the above quote, sorry but it seems you're 'expecting' some kind of action to have been taken by raising the issue, which is rather overvaluing your own stock IMO
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LotusElise wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:12 am Seems the moderators do not have any interest on that or no time to care or respond about it.
First off, that is David Vizard's own forum, and David is the moderator on his forum.
Many don't agree with him and attack anything he posts, and just as many follow him and hang on every word he posts.
I started the David Vizard forum to keep all that off the Speed-Talk public forums.
It is not a public Speed-Talk forum. You can not post on it, unless you have a Hot-Pass membership. You can read it, if you choose, or ignore it if you choose.
I have conversed with Jon Schmidt on multiple occasions. He also has his own page in our Vendor Marketplace forum.
If he asked me to remove the post, I would. I'm not sure, but I think he would rather it stay up, for everyone to see.

Also, if you have an issue with any post, you can click on the little box with the "!" in it, and report the post. We will get a notification, and look into it.
Believe it, or not, I do not read every post on Speed-Talk, but I do look into every one that's reported.
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Hiya,
Mike, you do a great job taking care of this forum.
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