Why does a limited slip cause the rear to go sideways?

[Kevin Johnson]

Trust me, I have spent a lot of time manually looking up words in a dictionary. The OED was present in the school library and took up quite a bit of shelf space. Now you have to pay a subscription.

[Kevin Johnson]

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As you know my point is many unmindful Engine guys call Engines motors.

I've yet to meet an electric motor guy who calls an electric motor an Engine.

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You do understand that you are citing as evidence one group of engineers/technicians who have maintained a fairly consistent jargon over more than one hundred years. So, why didn't automotive engineers/technicians do the same?

[MadBill]

Trust me, I have spent a lot of time manually looking up words in a dictionary. The OED was present in the school library and took up quite a bit of shelf space. Now you have to pay a subscription.

I just go to sites like this: https://www.dictionary.com/ They even speak the word, to save you trying to remember those weird pronunciation guides...

[Kevin Johnson]

on eBay -- twenty volumes.

[Kevin Johnson]

Okay, when I grew up we had a full set of the 1911 Encyclopaedia Brittanica -- it is a famous edition. I have two later sets to compare it to. This set is available online -- the one our family had is now located in California. It was given to us by a German family in Chicago when the owner passed away. Along with the cabinet of encyclopaedia volumes came a trunk with many old German books.

It is a fine example of scholarship largely absent today and if you read the section on Motorcars you will find that engine and motor are used as synonyms. Somewhere along the way someone came up with a contrived chain of reasoning to separate what were originally synonyms at least with respect to our hobby/profession.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Enc ... r_Vehicles

To wit:

Gottlieb Daimler's engine marked a great advance in the production of a source of motive power, for its efficiency was large as compared with its total weight, whilst the simplicity of its fuel system brought it within the scope of the person of average mechanical instincts and intelligence, for, even in its early days, the internal-combustion motor did not demand that its user should possess an intimate knowledge of engineering.

So, yes, I remember high school debate class but I was also one of those strange people that read really old books. I learned to read German Fraktur in order to read original versions of texts by German logicians in the 1900s. Yep, I was an odd duck.

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As you know my point is many unmindful Engine guys call Engines motors.

I've yet to meet an electric motor guy who calls an electric motor an Engine.

...

You do understand that you are citing as evidence one group of engineers/technicians who have maintained a fairly consistent jargon over more than one hundred years. So, why didn't automotive engineers/technicians do the same?

BINGO!!

This my friend is the great unanswered question:

Why are electrical types more accurate than Engine types??

Could it be translation, often Engine translates to moteur type words??

Could motoring ( traveling in a powered conveyance) be the source of confusion??

One clue the planets are aligning is GM and Chrysler now proudly offer CRATE ENGINES!!

Another is many oil companies advertise their motor oil is good for your Engine!

Possibly during the next hundred years the jargon will become correctly consistent.

No more tearing down statues!!

Thanks
Randy

[Kevin Johnson]

Okay, you have defined the era: 1950s

I have here in my office a set of the Encyclopaedia Britannica from 1958. I also have a Webster's Dictionary from 1961 (I believe I also have one from 1951 if you prefer).

The entry in EB has not changed in notation from 1911: Motor, Electric. This means that an electric motor is an element of the set of motors, not vice versa.

The entry in the dictionary is very clear that a motor is a direct synonym for an internal combustion engine. I am sorry that you have remembered it as slang because it is not.

I can only most strenuously emphasize that it is important to retain period references lest specious attempts to rewrite history prevail.

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Aside: The dictionaries belong to Samantha -- she is one smart cookie. We purchased the 1958 EB together while visiting a bookstore.

[Kevin Johnson]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pYU0p6WZhU

Extensive research has led to the exact source of the engine meme; circa 1963: Brian Wilson and Roger Christian.

My job is done.

[Kevin Johnson]

Shut Down
The Beach Boys
Tach it up, tach it up
Buddy gonna shut you down
It happened on the strip where the road is wide
(Oooo rev it up now)
Two cool shorts standin' side by side
(Oooo rev it up now)
Yeah, my fuel injected Stingray and a four-thirteen
(Oooo rev it up now)
Revvin' up our engines and it sounds real mean
(Oooo rev it up now)
Tach it up, tach it up, tach it up
Buddy gonna shut you down
Declinin' numbers at an even rate
(Oooo movin' out now)
At the count of one we both accelerate
(Oooo movin' out now)
My Stingray is light the slicks are startin' to spin
(Oooo movin' out now)
But the four-thirteen's really diggin' in
(Oooo movin' out now)
Gotta be cool now power shift here we go
Superstock Dart is windin' out and low
But my fuel injected Stingray's really startin' to go
To get the traction I'm a ridin' the clutch
My pressure plate's burnin' that machine's too much
Pedal's to the floor hear the dual quads drink
(Oooo pump it up now)
And now the four-thirteen's lead is startin' to shrink
(Oooo pump it up now)
He's hot with ram induction but it's understood
(Oooo pump it up now)
I got a fuel injected engine sittin' under my hood
(Oooo pump it up now)
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down

[MadBill]

..
Interestingly, manufactures rate Engine Torque in lb-ft, not ft-lb.but that's another discussion...

Of course, because one is energy and the other is...no, wait let's not go down this path....

[Kevin Johnson]

Don't get into a Slug-fest.

[MadBill]

Groan...

[MadBill]

"The Slug is the unit of mass in the US common system of units, where the pound is the unit of force. The pound is therefore the unit of weight since weight is defined as the force of gravity on an object."

[Kevin Johnson]

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PS: She's real fine my 4 zero 9 !!

That's all for naught.

[Kevin Johnson]

Aught to be, don't you think?

[Kevin Johnson]

Easy to see how aural perception affects languages, eh?

There is a developmental window in the brain where the different possible sounds of human speech are perceived. Once the window closes, a sound not used in communication is no longer attended to (a term of art). Variations are then predictable.