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Heating ?

Post by exhaustgases » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:41 pm

Has anyone done a cost comparison between propane and natural gas costs for heating? Its just easier to ask than make phone calls and searches.
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Post by MadBill » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:31 pm

Several factor complicate the answer to that question:
o There can be big regional and seasonal variations in the cost per million BTUs of either fuel (one winter here ~ 4 years back, propane about tripled in cost.)
o The actual composition, especially of NG, can also vary regionally and affect the fuel's specific energy.
o Changing over requires re-jetting of appliances and in the case of P to NG, disposal of the tank.
o Very generally, NG is cheaper, but not universally. Your local supplier of either should be armed with sales pitches in their favor.
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Re: Heating ?

Post by 77cruiser » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:13 pm

Is off peak electric an option?
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Re: Heating ?

Post by exhaustgases » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:03 am

I think propane is 3.40 or so a gallon, I don't know what equivalent NG is, in the area. Electric used to be very affordable here but not so any more.

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Post by ijames » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:58 am

Here's a short comparison article that unfortunately leaves out one crucial fact, the Btu per gallon of propane, sigh: http://www.propane101.com/propanevsnaturalgas.htm My gas bill uses therms, a therm is 100,000 Btu, basically 100 cu. ft. of natural gas. I pay $0.4 per therm in Maryland from BGE, plus another $0.4 per therm delivery charge, so $8 per 1000 cu. ft. or per 1 million Btu (plus some taxes I'm ignoring). Wikipedia says 1 million Btu propane is about 11 gallons. Taking $8/11 gal = $0.73/gal so if propane costs more than that delivered, natural gas is cheaper. You will have to call your gas company to get the supply price and the delivery charges, and a local propane company for the price to fill a 500 gallon tank.
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Re: Heating ?

Post by Keith Morganstein » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:45 pm

Propane has about 2.5 more energy than natural gas by volume. However propane usually ends up being more expensive to heat with than natural gas.
The delivery of propane by rail and then trucking, adds a lot of cost.
Then the pricing tactics can be brutal. The propane industry has been on multiple occasions, involved, sued and charged with price fixing.
There is the tiered system of pricing where seasonal use and low use customers are charged much higher rates per gallon.
In my area, owning your tank and buying on the market is a lot better than having a companies tank and contract.
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Re: Heating ?

Post by gmrocket » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:29 pm

This is about the most accurate calculator available.

You would need to know a few specs on the Cost/heat value of gas and propane in your area to use it

I've never heard of propane being less costly than ng.

I plugged in a 2000 sq ft house with a 92% eff furnace and it came out to approx 42% savings over propane. That's with using the calculators USA average cost of propane and ng. Took about 1 minute to figure out

www.energydepot.com/ResidentialEnergyCalculator/

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Post by PackardV8 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:02 pm

The short answer I was given fifty years ago:

"Propane is what you have to use when natural gas isn't available."

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Re: Heating ?

Post by gmrocket » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:41 pm

PackardV8 wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:02 pm
The short answer I was given fifty years ago:

"Propane is what you have to use when natural gas isn't available."

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Yup. And if no ng is available, usually propane is the most economical choice.. the suppliers know that so they ding you on contracts, delivery costs and spikes in costs when they are busy

I think that's why it's called pro pane,, as in the best pain in the butt

A few winters ago here propane users got screwed big time..the suppliers colluded and said there was a shortage,, prices went sky high..it was a lie

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Re: Heating ?

Post by emsvitil » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:29 am

What's the year round average temperature?

Put a loop of pex piping 20 ft underground to get that temperature. Connected to another loop in floor and/or ceiling.


Cools in summer, heats in winter.
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Re: Heating ?

Post by Dave Koehler » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:00 am

gmrocket wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:41 pm
PackardV8 wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:02 pm
The short answer I was given fifty years ago:

"Propane is what you have to use when natural gas isn't available."

jack vines
Yup. And if no ng is available, usually propane is the most economical choice.. the suppliers know that so they ding you on contracts, delivery costs and spikes in costs when they are busy

I think that's why it's called pro pane,, as in the best pain in the butt

A few winters ago here propane users got screwed big time..the suppliers colluded and said there was a shortage,, prices went sky high..it was a lie
I was a financial victim of that folly.
Their excuse here was their supplier shut down for yearly maintenance....in the winter. I just looked a them and said BS.
No company in their right mind would do that when summer is the obvious choice. They seemed shocked that I would call them on this but it did not lower my costs. go figure.
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Re: Heating ?

Post by Truckedup » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:40 am

I live in a rural area with no natural gas..We heat the house with wood , propane hot water and my shop is propane heated ....Most of the many propane suppliers in this area offer a discounted pre buy of propane during the summer..
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