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Who here actually drives an EV/HYBRID?

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Re: Who here actually drives an EV/HYBRID?

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Monzsta wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 9:14 pm
nitro2 wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:43 am
Monzsta wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:20 pm

0-60 in under three seconds from the top of the line Teslas isn't worthy of ST? The canvas may change but hot rodding as an art is forever.

The new crop of EV trucks from GM and Rivian will also clear the 3 second bench with 700 - 1,000 horsepower and 6,000+ curb weights.
Worthy ? Not in the least, in fact less than zero. I don't care if they do 1000 mph in 1 second from a dead stop and change your underwear for you.

Many people on ST earn a living from IC engines one way or another, and they want to continue to. They won't be making a living from electric motors, electric has the potential to put many people out of business, and destroy motorsports etc. No way would I ever give electric any platform at all. Electric will go however the gov't wants it to go but I sure won't be helping it along any. Anyone that knows me would never start up an electric discussion with me as they would quickly find themselves on the wrong side of my "electric fence".

People who want to "change the channel", should do it right and get their own "channel" and have at it, instead of screwing with someone else's "channel", and that applies to a whole lot of things in life, not just electric vehicles.
And why couldn't you make a living from EV's? Look at the bigger picture. Right now you're steeped in the art of enhancing combustion. EV's are far from perfect out of the box. Take my humble Volt, for example. 149 hp and 271 ft/lbs. GM got the bright idea of using the same Voltec powertrain in the heavier Cadillac ELR, and found out the customers really expected more out of a $76,000 car. So they hit the books, got into some fringe motor flux theory using harmonics.

"The new algorithm builds upon a control theory developed in the 1990s that injects harmonics – through a complex series of math equations – into the original sine wave, boosting power.

“In the 90s, they used to call it third harmonic injection,” explained Grewe, “where you take the third harmonic of the primary frequency and inject it back in. That actually makes the motor have more capabilities. We went about ten levels beyond that, so it’s way past third harmonic injection.”

233 hp and 373 ft/lbs was the final result without a single hardware change. Same motors, same inverters, same battery. Just a different method of driving the motors. And that from an OEM that has to warranty it.

Gasoline engines aren't going anywhere. But don't close yourself off to the future. Apply yourself to it.
Well......I like earning a living doing something that interests me, I think most people on ST feel the same (they like what they are doing, doesn't mean it's easy or they are getting rich, it means it is their ingrained interest and they get to feed that interest everyday). I think the majority of the people in the world aim for that too and most don't achieve it.

If I could no longer be involved in IC engines, there are about a bazillion other things I'd rather "apply myself to" than working on battery technology for vehicles. Make that 2 bazillion.

Seriously, forcing EV down an IC person's throat, it's like telling an old time country music fan or a heavy metal fan that they can't listen to their music anymore they will have to listen to rap from now on, oh and they will have to learn to like it.

I know it is hard to comprehend for some, but some people like engines, their primary interest is ENGINES. Their primary interest is NOT cars. People that love cars may not care what they are powered by or how they sound, so long as they go fast and look nice. There is a BIG difference between a car nut and an engine nut.
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Re: Who here actually drives an EV/HYBRID?

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nitro2 wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:42 am
Monzsta wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 9:14 pm
nitro2 wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:43 am

Worthy ? Not in the least, in fact less than zero. I don't care if they do 1000 mph in 1 second from a dead stop and change your underwear for you.

Many people on ST earn a living from IC engines one way or another, and they want to continue to. They won't be making a living from electric motors, electric has the potential to put many people out of business, and destroy motorsports etc. No way would I ever give electric any platform at all. Electric will go however the gov't wants it to go but I sure won't be helping it along any. Anyone that knows me would never start up an electric discussion with me as they would quickly find themselves on the wrong side of my "electric fence".

People who want to "change the channel", should do it right and get their own "channel" and have at it, instead of screwing with someone else's "channel", and that applies to a whole lot of things in life, not just electric vehicles.
And why couldn't you make a living from EV's? Look at the bigger picture. Right now you're steeped in the art of enhancing combustion. EV's are far from perfect out of the box. Take my humble Volt, for example. 149 hp and 271 ft/lbs. GM got the bright idea of using the same Voltec powertrain in the heavier Cadillac ELR, and found out the customers really expected more out of a $76,000 car. So they hit the books, got into some fringe motor flux theory using harmonics.

"The new algorithm builds upon a control theory developed in the 1990s that injects harmonics – through a complex series of math equations – into the original sine wave, boosting power.

“In the 90s, they used to call it third harmonic injection,” explained Grewe, “where you take the third harmonic of the primary frequency and inject it back in. That actually makes the motor have more capabilities. We went about ten levels beyond that, so it’s way past third harmonic injection.”

233 hp and 373 ft/lbs was the final result without a single hardware change. Same motors, same inverters, same battery. Just a different method of driving the motors. And that from an OEM that has to warranty it.

Gasoline engines aren't going anywhere. But don't close yourself off to the future. Apply yourself to it.
Well......I like earning a living doing something that interests me, I think most people on ST feel the same (they like what they are doing, doesn't mean it's easy or they are getting rich, it means it is their ingrained interest and they get to feed that interest everyday). I think the majority of the people in the world aim for that too and most don't achieve it.

If I could no longer be involved in IC engines, there are about a bazillion other things I'd rather "apply myself to" than working on battery technology for vehicles. Make that 2 bazillion.

Seriously, forcing EV down an IC person's throat, it's like telling an old time country music fan or a heavy metal fan that they can't listen to their music anymore they will have to listen to rap from now on, oh and they will have to learn to like it.

I know it is hard to comprehend for some, but some people like engines, their primary interest is ENGINES. Their primary interest is NOT cars. People that love cars may not care what they are powered by or how they sound, so long as they go fast and look nice. There is a BIG difference between a car nut and an engine nut.
Thank you for your well thought out reply, and I completely understand your position on the matter. I've been working on cars my whole life and I've always been keen to new technology, being a dealer tech. I got excited about all the enhancements, seeing our engines go from computer controlled feedback carburetors all the way up to our current crop of Multi-Air and direct injected engines. The Fiat/Chrysler Multi-Air held a lot of promise as the intake valves were now driven hydraulically and controlled by a solenoid. The camshaft merely became an oil pump and lift and duration were computer controlled. This has tremendous implications to the performance of an engine and you could literally remap the camshaft profile digitally. I'm as much of an engine nut as anyone.

However, also being a transmission tech, I see the OEM's desire for an electrified powertrain as the current crop of 8, 9, and 10 speed transmission have yielded a host of driveability complaints from all manufacturers. Take the 392 Charger. No matter what temperature it is, the torque converter locks at 5 mph, and the transmission then shifts through the locked converter. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that on a 10 degree morning with cold, sticky viscous fluid this isn't an easy or gentle act to perform and the first couple shifts that car makes feels rather like a beginning driver's first time with a manual transmission. So the complaints pile in. Computer flashes and TSB's go out. Buy backs ensue.

Having a single, or multiple motors in the powertrain is a driveability engineer's wet dream. The motors provide torque from 0 rpm with no shifting. The complete driving experience is mapped right to the gas pedal with nary a delay, shudder, lag, or what have you.

So I can see both sides of the argument. However I can assure you our beloved engines will exist for a very long time alongside their silent brethren.
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Re: Who here actually drives an EV/HYBRID?

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gruntguru wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:02 pm The internet is full of EV "channels" but it doesn't need to be "US vs THEM". There are a lot of racers, tuners etc who are interested in where EV tech is going and want to discuss it with like minded folk. These people have "done it right" they "have their own channel". It is called "Electric & Hybrid Vehicle".

Bagging EV's, banning EV discussion from Speed Talk will not bring one cent into your business - not now and not in 30 years time when gasoline cars have disappeared from showrooms. Electric will go the way the DRIVING PUBLIC wants. They will vote with their wallet and are already starting to do so.

Gasoline powered vehicles and the tuning industry will be around for a long time. People still ride horses don't they?
i wonder how welcoming an ICE champion would be on those EV sites? ya, not

its a cult, you have to be in the cult, you cant go there and point out issues or problems, or even ways to fix them............you get banned. its all or none with them

and i have a hybrid, you dont....but you're all for everyone else driving them still right?
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Monzsta wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:38 pm
nitro2 wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:42 am
Monzsta wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 9:14 pm
And why couldn't you make a living from EV's? Look at the bigger picture. Right now you're steeped in the art of enhancing combustion. EV's are far from perfect out of the box. Take my humble Volt, for example. 149 hp and 271 ft/lbs. GM got the bright idea of using the same Voltec powertrain in the heavier Cadillac ELR, and found out the customers really expected more out of a $76,000 car. So they hit the books, got into some fringe motor flux theory using harmonics.

"The new algorithm builds upon a control theory developed in the 1990s that injects harmonics – through a complex series of math equations – into the original sine wave, boosting power.

“In the 90s, they used to call it third harmonic injection,” explained Grewe, “where you take the third harmonic of the primary frequency and inject it back in. That actually makes the motor have more capabilities. We went about ten levels beyond that, so it’s way past third harmonic injection.”

233 hp and 373 ft/lbs was the final result without a single hardware change. Same motors, same inverters, same battery. Just a different method of driving the motors. And that from an OEM that has to warranty it.

Gasoline engines aren't going anywhere. But don't close yourself off to the future. Apply yourself to it.
Well......I like earning a living doing something that interests me, I think most people on ST feel the same (they like what they are doing, doesn't mean it's easy or they are getting rich, it means it is their ingrained interest and they get to feed that interest everyday). I think the majority of the people in the world aim for that too and most don't achieve it.

If I could no longer be involved in IC engines, there are about a bazillion other things I'd rather "apply myself to" than working on battery technology for vehicles. Make that 2 bazillion.

Seriously, forcing EV down an IC person's throat, it's like telling an old time country music fan or a heavy metal fan that they can't listen to their music anymore they will have to listen to rap from now on, oh and they will have to learn to like it.

I know it is hard to comprehend for some, but some people like engines, their primary interest is ENGINES. Their primary interest is NOT cars. People that love cars may not care what they are powered by or how they sound, so long as they go fast and look nice. There is a BIG difference between a car nut and an engine nut.
Thank you for your well thought out reply, and I completely understand your position on the matter. I've been working on cars my whole life and I've always been keen to new technology, being a dealer tech. I got excited about all the enhancements, seeing our engines go from computer controlled feedback carburetors all the way up to our current crop of Multi-Air and direct injected engines. The Fiat/Chrysler Multi-Air held a lot of promise as the intake valves were now driven hydraulically and controlled by a solenoid. The camshaft merely became an oil pump and lift and duration were computer controlled. This has tremendous implications to the performance of an engine and you could literally remap the camshaft profile digitally. I'm as much of an engine nut as anyone.

However, also being a transmission tech, I see the OEM's desire for an electrified powertrain as the current crop of 8, 9, and 10 speed transmission have yielded a host of driveability complaints from all manufacturers. Take the 392 Charger. No matter what temperature it is, the torque converter locks at 5 mph, and the transmission then shifts through the locked converter. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that on a 10 degree morning with cold, sticky viscous fluid this isn't an easy or gentle act to perform and the first couple shifts that car makes feels rather like a beginning driver's first time with a manual transmission. So the complaints pile in. Computer flashes and TSB's go out. Buy backs ensue.

Having a single, or multiple motors in the powertrain is a driveability engineer's wet dream. The motors provide torque from 0 rpm with no shifting. The complete driving experience is mapped right to the gas pedal with nary a delay, shudder, lag, or what have you.

So I can see both sides of the argument. However I can assure you our beloved engines will exist for a very long time alongside their silent brethren.
You think they'll be around a for a very long time? even if the greenies outlaw them. look around , see what they want , then say that again
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EV's have been around since the 1830's

same issue then as now,,range and not practical. but of course the government could make it practical, but you would think after almost 200 years they would have got the thing figured out. Elon Musk made them cool again.....its a status symbol to own one. very very few that own one, have it as their only vehicle...because its not practical.

unless you do the same route every day, and return home with enough charge so you can recharge,,you will be ok..no real cold weather either.

no way in hell can you just decide to take an unknown route for a nice day of exploring... :lol: they are perfect for citidiots
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gmrocket wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:57 pmits a cult, you have to be in the cult, you cant go there and point out issues or problems, or even ways to fix them............you get banned. its all or none with them
Banned? Surely no one would ever want to ban a Sweet Old Boy like you?
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gmrocket wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:10 pm- same issue then as now,,range and not practical.
- Elon Musk made them cool again.....its a status symbol to own one.
- very very few that own one, have it as their only vehicle...because its not practical.
- unless you do the same route every day, and return home with enough charge so you can recharge,,you will be ok..
- no real cold weather either.
- no way in hell can you just decide to take an unknown route for a nice day of exploring... :lol:
- they are perfect for citidiots
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Very interesting to me there are car guys and engine guys. I always thought they were mutual. Until I met a driver who could drive the wheels off anything but couldn’t turn a screwdriver to save his life.

Or the engine guy who hated to drive. Just point A to B please. The drive meant nothing to him. Put him in a car with one of his engines though and boy did he perk up lol.

I think with EV it will be more of the later. Average car guy won’t care how it goes fast, just that it does. The guy tinkering with controllers, batteries and the like will be the new “engine guy”
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