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Re: Only in California ... maybe not ...coming to your State ??

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Chris_Hamilton wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:21 pmhttps://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-chi ... a-57777113
They nearly double our output if you are looking at volume as opposed to per capita.
Hey - they are 25 times our output (Australia). We need to increase our emissions!!
Excellent link by the way.
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I had a 87 Honda CRX as a teen that got 50 miles to the gallon if you kept your foot out of it. There are diesel cars in Europe that get over 70 mpg. Certainly seems a more efficient way than EVs.

https://www.carwow.co.uk/economical-cars/diesel
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gruntguru wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:14 pm
Chris_Hamilton wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:21 pmhttps://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-chi ... a-57777113
They nearly double our output if you are looking at volume as opposed to per capita.
Hey - they are 25 times our output (Australia). We need to increase our emissions!!
Keep in mind too that those figures are largely reliant on each countries government data. I'm highly suspicious of the Chinese figures seeing that they have 1100+ coal fired powerplants that have no emission devices among other things. I suspect the real number is much higher. Look at the stories of some of the cities in China and the smog haze being so thick it's like fog.
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Re: Only in California ... maybe not ...coming to your State ??

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Chris_Hamilton wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:19 pm
gruntguru wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:14 pm
Chris_Hamilton wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:21 pmhttps://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-chi ... a-57777113
They nearly double our output if you are looking at volume as opposed to per capita.
Hey - they are 25 times our output (Australia). We need to increase our emissions!!
Keep in mind too that those figures are largely reliant on each countries government data. I'm highly suspicious of the Chinese figures seeing that they have 1100+ coal fired powerplants that have no emission devices among other things. I suspect the real number is much higher. Look at the stories of some of the cities in China and the smog haze being so thick it's like fog.
I was in China back in 2014. I was blown away by the pollution. LA on its worst day did not hold a candle to it. I even traveled to a few of the smaller cities and even drove around rural areas as well. It was awful.

One thing that does not get talked about. We talk about the per capita thing with China, When I was there the cost to get a drivers license was equal to $10,000 US dollars. The pollution is as bad as it is, could you imagine if people could drive like we can?

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Chinese 8th graders taking a test in the smog
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I have a hard time believing that we put out more pollution per capita. The smog is so bad in China that NASA satellites have photographed it.

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FC-Pilot wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:15 pm
Chris_Hamilton wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:19 pm
gruntguru wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:14 pm Hey - they are 25 times our output (Australia). We need to increase our emissions!!
Keep in mind too that those figures are largely reliant on each countries government data. I'm highly suspicious of the Chinese figures seeing that they have 1100+ coal fired powerplants that have no emission devices among other things. I suspect the real number is much higher. Look at the stories of some of the cities in China and the smog haze being so thick it's like fog.
I was in China back in 2014. I was blown away by the pollution. LA on its worst day did not hold a candle to it. I even traveled to a few of the smaller cities and even drove around rural areas as well. It was awful.

One thing that does not get talked about. We talk about the per capita thing with China, When I was there the cost to get a drivers license was equal to $10,000 US dollars. The pollution is as bad as it is, could you imagine if people could drive like we can?

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I agree. Having been there in 2013, two things that struck me. One, was the pollution. On a scale I could never imagine. Two was the fact that you and everyone else was monitored all the time. The bloody cameras on the overheads on the highway. Flashing constantly. In places there were cameras every 100 meters it seemed like. I could not wait to leave and I will never go back.
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Chris_Hamilton wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:39 am I have a hard time believing that we put out more pollution per capita. The smog is so bad in China that NASA satellites have photographed it.
You do know that smog is not the same as CO2 don't you.
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gruntguru wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:48 pm
Chris_Hamilton wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:39 am I have a hard time believing that we put out more pollution per capita. The smog is so bad in China that NASA satellites have photographed it.
You do know that smog is not the same as CO2 don't you.
Yes I do.
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We are good at making advances in technology , just not very good at making advances in the human that uses it..
Obviously there will come a time when we will have to focus more on how we use energy. You don't have to look very far to see how much of it we piss away on useless things, just to entertain ourselves..
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A nice blend of well known but inconsequential facts and conspiracy theorist crap.

Particularly hilarious is this quote
Does anyone need to get 60 in 2.9 seconds? Or even six?
. . . and you're posting this on a forum devoted to fast cars?
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