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exhaustgases wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:20 pm
GRTfast wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:05 am [

Where is the energy coming from in a permanent magnet motor? Describe it in the level of detail I just did for a nuclear power plant. Connect the dots.
Energy comes from electron orbits.
Just like the nuclear fuel SELF fissses, in a magnet all the little spins align similar to coherent light for a laser, and is SELF powering. And like all the infrastructure for a nuke system that is the motor assembly for the magnet system motors, the guy that replicated the experiments was not cheating he was showing how it works, he is not asking for anything. How many battery's are hidden in the engine masters engines? :lol:
So the electrons are changing orbits? Nope. Where is the ENERGY coming from.
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exhaustgases wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:35 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBtxjyD01lo
Maybe all you that are here should talk to this guy, about his PATENTED design.
Its so cool when an old country guy has more on the ball than all the so called college brains.
I just downloaded his patent. https://patents.google.com/patent/US848 ... 8487484+b1

Carefully note object 36.

Last claim:
25. A combination comprising two or more of the magnetic drive apparatus of claim 24 operatively coupled to one or
more rotary input components that induce said relative rotation
and operatively coupled to a common reciprocal output
component that is driven by said relative reciprocation.
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exhaustgases wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:35 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBtxjyD01lo
Maybe all you that are here should talk to this guy, about his PATENTED design.
Its so cool when an old country guy has more on the ball than all the so called college brains.
The device described in this patent takes input from an outside source and converts from rotational to reciprocal motion, or vice versa.
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exhaustgases wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:09 am ...
And so what is the energy input vs the output?
The patent is silent about this.
exhaustgases then wrote: ...
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Else its just a nothing thing. No reason to patent a nothing thing.
People simply like the idea of having invented something and having a patent to prove it. Many people write and self-publish books as well.

As the final claim brings up the use of an external input (item 36, the motor, identified earlier), I suspect he had a sympathetic patent examiner or attorney. One or the other presumably understood his psychological need to have the patent and so it was written in a way that it did not claim to be a perpetual motion machine.
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exhaustgases wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:02 am
GRTfast wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:44 pm
exhaustgases wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:20 pm
Energy comes from electron orbits.
Just like the nuclear fuel SELF fissses, in a magnet all the little spins align similar to coherent light for a laser, and is SELF powering. And like all the infrastructure for a nuke system that is the motor assembly for the magnet system motors, the guy that replicated the experiments was not cheating he was showing how it works, he is not asking for anything. How many battery's are hidden in the engine masters engines? :lol:
So the electrons are changing orbits? Nope. Where is the ENERGY coming from.
Magnetic force if from electron spin alignment, or arrangement. The act of electron spin or orbit is energy.
Hogwash. Force does not equal energy no matter how much you say it does.
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exhaustgases wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:09 am
GRTfast wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:39 pm
exhaustgases wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:35 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBtxjyD01lo
Maybe all you that are here should talk to this guy, about his PATENTED design.
Its so cool when an old country guy has more on the ball than all the so called college brains.
The device described in this patent takes input from an outside source and converts from rotational to reciprocal motion, or vice versa.
And so what is the energy input vs the output? Its similar to what I said about using solenoid actuated windows. So then it can make enough power to recharge the battery running the rotary device that turns it. Else its just a nothing thing. No reason to patent a nothing thing.
It’s essentially a magnetically coupled transmission. It’s pretty cool. The energy output is certainly less than the input, which is why no claim is made about it in the patent. Duh.

Next time you’re going to post a patent, I’d suggest reading and understanding it first.

The device described in this patent is not even remotely close to what you thought it was.
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exhaustgases wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:20 pm Energy comes from electron orbits.
Just like the nuclear fuel SELF fissses, in a magnet all the little spins align similar to coherent light for a laser, and is SELF powering. And like all the infrastructure for a nuke system that is the motor assembly for the magnet system motors, the guy that replicated the experiments was not cheating he was showing how it works, he is not asking for anything. How many battery's are hidden in the engine masters engines? :lol:
There are two ways you can go here.
1. Go and complete a unit in thermodynamics at a university.
2. Try and replicate one of these "experiments" for yourself. (as I suggested earlier)

At the end of either process you will be qualified to spout on the subject of perpetual motion - as of now you have no idea what you are talking about.
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exhaustgases wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:37 pm
It is power from magnets, that is the power source.

Wrong.
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exhaustgases wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:37 pm The guy in the video proves you all wrong.
It is power from magnets, that is the power source.

Here is one of my ideas already done by someone else, the window I was talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InO00DZT6iY
I have an over unity machine***

***pay no attention to the bank of batteries that has to be connected to my machine to make it work.

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exhaustgases wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:36 pm
GRTfast wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:18 pm
exhaustgases wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:37 pm
It is power from magnets, that is the power source.

Wrong.
Just like a battery just sits there as a potential power source so does the magnet. =D>
And the battery can not power anything until you figure out how to use that power.
A battery stores chemical energy and converts it to electricity when the battery is connected to a circuit. Energy is transferred from the battery to the device, and the battery has a specific capacity. This is all well known, is designed for, and can be represented mathematically. Where is the analogous explanation and math for these over unity permanent magnet motors? Where is the energy coming from? What is the change in state of the atoms that allows us to verify some energy has been "transferred" to the motor? In a ICE, its the chemical energy released as heat during the oxidation of the fuel. In a battery its chemical energy stored/released as the anode and cathode release/absorb electrons. In an electric motor or generator, electricity is converted to/from shaft work by using the input rotation to move conductors relative to a field.

These magical magnet motors have no such explanation. Just claims built on myths like magnetic mono-poles and magic magnetic flux shutters that take no energy to operate. Furthermore, when you attempt to support your position by posting a video of a magnetic transmission (that you obviously didn't research), it was exposed that the patent made no claims about operating over unity, and even specifically claimed that rotation had to be induced externally.

sigh...

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In the mean time, here's something for you to watch EG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT_bTnk ... e=youtu.be
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exhaustgases wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:36 pm Just like a battery just sits there as a potential power source so does the magnet.
Just like springs! You could put a series of extension springs around a crankshaft and make a motor...

And if you used different types of springs they will operate at different frequencies and keep it turning...

And you could use TWO cranks 180° out of phase to help it work, because, ya know, phase angles are important...

And you could use HUNDREDS of springs because, say, only six in a radial pattern doesn't look like enough....

Right??
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exhaustgases wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:17 pm Springs won't work since there is no way to turn off the force for a reversal.
BINGO!

. . . . and the same applies for magnets. There is no way to turn the force off (or on) that does not require energy input - and the amount of energy that must be input is ALWAYS as much or more than the energy you get out.
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exhaustgases wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:17 pm Springs won't work since there is no way to turn off the force for a reversal. Just look at that simple over head magnet engine in the one video. That shows a simple way to time the magnetic forces.
Oh and GRT that video, yeah there are tons of naysayers for many topics. Take the UFO topic that is now being proven as true, only took most of my life time to get there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqlPePYgdg4
You can’t “turn off” the magnet without using energy. You just can’t. The reason springs won’t work is the same reasons magnets won’t work. The force is ultimately from the same place too.
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exhaustgases wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:15 pm
GRTfast wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:05 pm
exhaustgases wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:17 pm Springs won't work since there is no way to turn off the force for a reversal. Just look at that simple over head magnet engine in the one video. That shows a simple way to time the magnetic forces.
Oh and GRT that video, yeah there are tons of naysayers for many topics. Take the UFO topic that is now being proven as true, only took most of my life time to get there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqlPePYgdg4
You can’t “turn off” the magnet without using energy. You just can’t. The reason springs won’t work is the same reasons magnets won’t work. The force is ultimately from the same place too.
Thats the secret, how to use very little energy to turn off or reduce the magnetic force. That magnet cam engine is a great example how to do it.
Problem solved.
You’ve been fooled by these videos you watch. There is no “turning off or reducing the magnetic force” using “very little energy”. Energy is conserved. If magnets did not behave as they do, or we did not understand how they behave, the computers we are using to have this “debate” would not function.
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