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No no no. Motors are not engines. Engines however - are motors.
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It has already been done.

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GLHS60 wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 12:33 am Incorrect but we don't have to agree on everything!!

There is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

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gruntguru wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 12:07 am No no no. Motors are not engines. Engines however - are motors.
An engine is a type of motor. This is just a fact.

A motor is a machine that converts other forms of energy into mechanical energy and so imparts motion. An engine is a motor that converts thermal energy to mechanical work.

Not all motors are engines, but EVERY engine is a motor.
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Tell me Randy, is there a logical reason to call a chicken a bird?
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GLHS60 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:12 pm There is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

You can make all the excuses you want but the fact remains

There is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

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Yes there is. An engine is a type of motor.

That is a fact that you can not dispute unless you do not use the common definition of those words. Why are you so stuck on this issue?
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GLHS60 wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:31 am It would somewhat depend on how many birds one has.

Presently we are mostly automobile enthusiasts on an automobile forum.

I think its safe to assume most of us own, repair, drive or race automobiles.

Without me even knowing your name or where you live I know something.

I know the automobile you own, or owned, or repair, or drive, or race....

I know most likely what ever the make or model, gasoline or brown...

Whether carbureted Turbocharged or with power steering or rear defog..

Front wheel drive, ex taxi, leather interior, pickup, or blue in color..

The one thing I know with remarkable accuracy is your automobile ...

No doubt, with a high degree of confidence, bordering on absolute certainty,

Your automobile, the very one I'm talking about now, right now that it has

Several motors, possibly a starter motor, heater motor, window or fan motor

But said automobile, flush with motors, most certainly has one Engine.

Considering what I know about your automobile, I still maintain...

There is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

You can make all the excuses you want but the fact remains

There is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

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A modern car has many motors, one of them is an engine. Do you deny this fact?
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Not a single instance you have quoted is proof that engines are not members of the "motor" family.

I could use the same reasoning to deny that chickens are birds.

I go to the supermarket to shop for one of the hundreds of chicken products on sale - chickens, chicken breast, chicken thighs, chicken soup . . . . . Not one of them says "bird" anywhere on the packaging. Strangely none of the manufacturers refer to their products as "bird" either. No advertising for chicken products ever refers to the product as a "bird".

There is a reason for this. People want to know what kind of bird is in the packet - is it duck, goose, turkey, pheasant, quail, spatchcock, emu or chicken. It is NOT because chickens are not birds - I can assure you they are.

You are entitled to call engines "engines" and refuse to ever refer to them as motors. You are not entitled to correct others when they refer to them as motors, because they are indeed motors - the dictionary says so, and engineering terminology convention says so.

A lot of funny things have happened to the english language. An interesting one is the word "wreck". I believe in America, it is the most commonly used term for a motor vehicle collision. In Australia, the UK and traditionally in the english language a "wreck" is the damaged remains of a vessel or vehicle. We refer to a vehicle accident as a crash, a smash or an accident - never a "wreck". Nevertheless, you are entitled to continue to call motor vehicle accidents "wrecks" and I won't try to correct you. I call them something else because the people around here would be confused if I call then "wrecks".

Does this label convince you that "chicken" is not "poultry"? Please don't read my lips, just read what comes after "Valley Poultry".
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No one is disputing the terminology Ford uses - it is indeed an engine.

This has nothing to do with logic. Its the dictionary. The dictionary says an engine is a type of motor. The dictionary says a chicken is a type of bird. There is no "logical" reason to call a chicken a bird. We only do so because that's what the dictionary says.

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Engine means system.

Motors create motion.

most words are slang, so, whatever,
but it is possible to talk in a way that can be understood with greatest ease,
and then there is using industry specific jargon which nobody in the future and/or outside your specialty will understand.

A political engine or a search engine is not a type of motor.
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modok wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:10 am Engine means system.

Motors create motion.

most words are slang, so, whatever,
but it is possible to talk in a way that can be understood with greatest ease,
and then there is using industry specific jargon which nobody in the future and/or outside your specialty will understand.

A political engine or a search engine is not a type of motor.
Internal combustion engines are heat engines. Heat engines are a type of motor because they are machines that convert energy to motion.

Car engines (the type being discussed in this thread) are motors. Extremely long winded posts conflating the issue for some unknown personal peeve do not change this fact.
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Henry Ford, circa 1922 wrote:In 1892 I completed my first motor car, but it was not until the spring of the following year that it ran to my satisfaction. This first car had something of the appearance of a buggy. There were two cylinders with a two-and-a-half-inch bore and a six-inch stroke set side by side and over the rear axle. I made them out of the exhaust pipe of a steam engine that I had bought. They developed about four horsepower. The power was transmitted from the motor to the countershaft by a belt and from the countershaft to the rear wheel by a chain.
Apparently, Henry Ford knew very well what an engine and a motor were.

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Alas, these modern whippersnappers...

Don't make me invoke the S.A.E.

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GLHS60 wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:17 pm There you go again picking on our ancestors before they knew any better.

Please enlighten us on what always comes up when searching Lycoming

Now prove yourself honest and post something from Lycoming after 1930.

And please don't follow up with your old Henry Ford quotes.

We well know Mr Ford was barely literate even though he built an Empire.

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Ten years prior to Mr. Ford's treatise, professional automotive engineers were using motor and engine synonymously. You can prove this to yourself by searching S.A.E. papers -- as I have already done and presented.

The logical reason to call an engine a motor is to avoid the fallacy of equivocation.
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