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Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by gruntguru » Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:51 pm

No one is disputing the terminology Ford uses - it is indeed an engine.

This has nothing to do with logic. Its the dictionary. The dictionary says an engine is a type of motor. The dictionary says a chicken is a type of bird. There is no "logical" reason to call a chicken a bird. We only do so because that's what the dictionary says.

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by modok » Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:10 am

Engine means system.

Motors create motion.

most words are slang, so, whatever,
but it is possible to talk in a way that can be understood with greatest ease,
and then there is using industry specific jargon which nobody in the future and/or outside your specialty will understand.

A political engine or a search engine is not a type of motor.

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by GLHS60 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:06 am

Strangely, the more educated they are the harder the argument.

I know nothing of chickens, birds fowl, searches or motors.

I do like Engines and see no reason to misname them.

If there is a logical reason I haven't yet heard it.

Justifications are just that, not logical reasons.

Not calling an Engine an Engine is not logical.

Toyota Motor Company illustrates this nicely.

Imagine a Toyota representative explaining the picture below:

"Illustrated are our motor, secondary motor and motor-generator"

Toyota calls its Engines--Engines and its motors--motors.

It would take a lot of indoctrination for me to disagree

To the uneducated dumdum (me) Toyota is perfectly logical.

There is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by GRTfast » Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:23 pm

modok wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:10 am
Engine means system.

Motors create motion.

most words are slang, so, whatever,
but it is possible to talk in a way that can be understood with greatest ease,
and then there is using industry specific jargon which nobody in the future and/or outside your specialty will understand.

A political engine or a search engine is not a type of motor.
Internal combustion engines are heat engines. Heat engines are a type of motor because they are machines that convert energy to motion.

Car engines (the type being discussed in this thread) are motors. Extremely long winded posts conflating the issue for some unknown personal peeve do not change this fact.
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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by Kevin Johnson » Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:59 pm

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by Kevin Johnson » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:11 pm

Henry Ford, circa 1922 wrote:In 1892 I completed my first motor car, but it was not until the spring of the following year that it ran to my satisfaction. This first car had something of the appearance of a buggy. There were two cylinders with a two-and-a-half-inch bore and a six-inch stroke set side by side and over the rear axle. I made them out of the exhaust pipe of a steam engine that I had bought. They developed about four horsepower. The power was transmitted from the motor to the countershaft by a belt and from the countershaft to the rear wheel by a chain.
Apparently, Henry Ford knew very well what an engine and a motor were.

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Don't make me invoke the S.A.E.

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by GLHS60 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:17 pm

There you go again picking on our ancestors before they knew any better.

Please enlighten us on what always comes up when searching Lycoming

Now prove yourself honest and post something from Lycoming after 1930.

And please don't follow up with your old Henry Ford quotes.

We well know Mr Ford was barely literate even though he built an Empire.

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by Kevin Johnson » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:22 pm

GLHS60 wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:17 pm
There you go again picking on our ancestors before they knew any better.

Please enlighten us on what always comes up when searching Lycoming

Now prove yourself honest and post something from Lycoming after 1930.

And please don't follow up with your old Henry Ford quotes.

We well know Mr Ford was barely literate even though he built an Empire.

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Ten years prior to Mr. Ford's treatise, professional automotive engineers were using motor and engine synonymously. You can prove this to yourself by searching S.A.E. papers -- as I have already done and presented.

The logical reason to call an engine a motor is to avoid the fallacy of equivocation.

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by GLHS60 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:33 pm

Again, please don't disrespect our forefathers.

I don't mind you razzing me but they deserve more respect.

I don't believe you've yet proved your sincerity as still no Lycoming post.

"Alas, these modern whippersnappers"...

Are they the ones who never call their Engines motors??

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by gruntguru » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:29 pm

GLHS60. There is a very good reason car engines are usually referred to as "engines". It is because it helps to be specific. If it is an engine - yes call it an engine. If you labelled a product "Poultry Breast" people would be curious and probably suspicious.

Now here is "a logical reason to call an engine a "motor""

Say you see an unusual car accelerating silently and very quickly down the road and you have a question. The correct phrasing would be "what sort of 'motor' does that car have?" If it turns out the car has a Chev V8 that's fine. You haven't misspoken - the machine providing the motive power for any car is always a "motor". In this case that motor also happens to be an engine. If you had said "what sort of engine does that car have?" the answer might have been "its not an engine, its an electric car" - the word "motor" is a better choice in this circumstance.

There is also a logical reason to call a chicken a bird (or poultry).

Say you bite into a delicious piece of grilled breast meat and say "what sort of poultry is this?" If it turns out to be chicken all is good - chicken is also poultry. If you had said "what sort of chicken is this?" you would be embarrassed if the answer was "its not chicken its duck". The word "poultry" or "bird" is a better choice in this circumstance.

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by GLHS60 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:01 am

gruntguru wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:29 pm

This part is logical so you're coming around.

GLHS60. There is a very good reason car engines are usually referred to as "engines". It is because it helps to be specific. If it is an engine - yes call it an engine. .


This part is only an attempt at justifying dumbness.

Now here is "a logical reason to call an engine a "motor""

Say you see an unusual car accelerating silently and very quickly down the road and you have a question. The correct phrasing would be "what sort of 'motor' does that car have?" I
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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by gruntguru » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:53 pm

Your entire post is illogical.

log•ic•al lŏj′ĭ-kəl►
adj. Of, relating to, in accordance with, or of the nature of logic.
adj. Based on earlier or otherwise known statements, events, or conditions; reasonable.
adj. Reasoning or capable of reasoning in a clear and consistent manner.

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by GLHS60 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:23 pm

We both know this can't be true logically as I agreed with your first part.

Rather than discuss the second part you give up and resort to a dictionary.

Granted, dictionaries have their place with far reaching general definitions.

Good enough in many cases for some but not always for say, General Motors.

Now that they're into electrics/hybrids they most likely have motor plants.

President Trump recently visited a Ford Motor Company, motor plant.

This plant, unlike all Fords Engine plants, builds motors for Ford products.

This plant converted seat ventilators into life saving breathing ventilators.

Another reason that there is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

Building a breathing ventilator powered by an Engine might have problems.

It might be workable if electric motors were never invented but they were.

They both have an important role to play and each deserve an identity.

Possibly not for academics but most certainly for mechanics, enthusiasts And

motor car companies around the globe with few, mostly ancient, exceptions.

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

Post by gruntguru » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:28 pm

As I have said. There is a good reason car manufacturers refer to their motors as "engines". It is the same reason Valley Poultry refer to many of their products as "chicken". It is not because and engine is not a motor - it is. It is not because chicken is not poultry - it is.

Many motor cars are powered by engines.

"Every motor car on earth is power by a motor."

Do yourself a favour. Please replace the word "motor" in the previous sentence with a better word.

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