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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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Gentle Friend:

Coincidentally, I just noticed this Technical Reference on another thread.

The author nicely defines vehicle powerplants on PDF pages 81-82

Steam Engine, electric motor and internal combustion Engine.

I hope you find the poster credible, I know I certainly do.

Comments/criticisms gratefully accepted.

Thanks
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http://www.edccorp.com/library/TechRefPdfs/EDC-1110.pdf
Kevin Johnson wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:48 am Thank you for conceding the point that in, say, 1912, the terms "engine" and "motor" were used synonymously and that, in 1912, there was a logical reason to call an engine a motor.
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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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http://everyspec.com/ARMY/ARMY-General/ ... 055539.pdf

You might enjoy the above; extensive use is made of the term '"prime mover."


GLHS60 wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:25 am Gentle Friend:

Coincidentally, I just noticed this Technical Reference on another thread.

The author nicely defines vehicle powerplants on PDF pages 81-82

Steam Engine, electric motor and internal combustion Engine.

I hope you find the poster credible, I know I certainly do.

Comments/criticisms gratefully accepted.

Thanks
Randy

http://www.edccorp.com/library/TechRefPdfs/EDC-1110.pdf
Kevin Johnson wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:48 am Thank you for conceding the point that in, say, 1912, the terms "engine" and "motor" were used synonymously and that, in 1912, there was a logical reason to call an engine a motor.
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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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Kevin Johnson wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:31 am http://everyspec.com/ARMY/ARMY-General/ ... 055539.pdf

You might enjoy the above; extensive use is made of the term '"prime mover."


GLHS60 wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:25 am Gentle Friend:

Coincidentally, I just noticed this Technical Reference on another thread.

The author nicely defines vehicle powerplants on PDF pages 81-82

Steam Engine, electric motor and internal combustion Engine.

I hope you find the poster credible, I know I certainly do.

Comments/criticisms gratefully accepted.

Thanks
Randy

http://www.edccorp.com/library/TechRefPdfs/EDC-1110.pdf
Kevin Johnson wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:48 am Thank you for conceding the point that in, say, 1912, the terms "engine" and "motor" were used synonymously and that, in 1912, there was a logical reason to call an engine a motor.
I just put a new cam in the prime mover of my motor car. :lol:
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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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GRTfast wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:19 am ...

I just put a new cam in the prime mover of my motor car. :lol:
I can remember being the prime mover when the starter motor went bad. Then I handed off the title as I jumped in and dropped it in gear.
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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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I appreciate the link!!

Obviously there was enormous thought in producing this document.

The Military proves there is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

The terminology is as accurate and unemotional as is humanly possible.

Combustion powerplants are constantly referred to as Engines and specified:

EG: Outboard Engine, Steam Engine, Motorcycle Engine, Diesel Engine, etc.

A Submariner ordered to the Engine room shouldn't go to the E-motor room!

The terms are so logical, it accepts a propeller shaft could be a drive shaft.

Not once does it even consider an Engine could ever be called a motor.

The Military proves there is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

Please keep safe!!

Thanks
Randy


Kevin Johnson wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:31 am http://everyspec.com/ARMY/ARMY-General/ ... 055539.pdf

You might enjoy the above; extensive use is made of the term '"prime mover."


GLHS60 wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:25 am Gentle Friend:

Coincidentally, I just noticed this Technical Reference on another thread.

The author nicely defines vehicle powerplants on PDF pages 81-82

Steam Engine, electric motor and internal combustion Engine.

I hope you find the poster credible, I know I certainly do.

Comments/criticisms gratefully accepted.

Thanks
Randy

http://www.edccorp.com/library/TechRefPdfs/EDC-1110.pdf
Kevin Johnson wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:48 am Thank you for conceding the point that in, say, 1912, the terms "engine" and "motor" were used synonymously and that, in 1912, there was a logical reason to call an engine a motor.
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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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GLHS60 wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:41 pm I appreciate the link!!

Obviously there was enormous thought in producing this document.

The Military proves there is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

The terminology is as accurate and unemotional as is humanly possible.

Combustion powerplants are constantly referred to as Engines and specified:

EG: Outboard Engine, Steam Engine, Motorcycle Engine, Diesel Engine, etc.

A Submariner ordered to the Engine room shouldn't go to the E-motor room!

The terms are so logical, it accepts a propeller shaft could be a drive shaft.

Not once does it even consider an Engine could ever be called a motor.

The Military proves there is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

Please keep safe!!

Thanks
Randy


Kevin Johnson wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:31 am http://everyspec.com/ARMY/ARMY-General/ ... 055539.pdf

You might enjoy the above; extensive use is made of the term '"prime mover."


GLHS60 wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:25 am Gentle Friend:

Coincidentally, I just noticed this Technical Reference on another thread.

The author nicely defines vehicle powerplants on PDF pages 81-82

Steam Engine, electric motor and internal combustion Engine.

I hope you find the poster credible, I know I certainly do.

Comments/criticisms gratefully accepted.

Thanks
Randy

http://www.edccorp.com/library/TechRefPdfs/EDC-1110.pdf

Internal combustion engines are motors. You can author a million posts on the topic, but that fact will remain. :lol:
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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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I got a suggestion to do a German-English translation of the M in BMW.

Interesting!!

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https://www.google.com/search?q=transla ... e&ie=UTF-8
Kevin Johnson wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:12 am


When I lived in Illinois and Michigan there were still many people that spoke German as a primary/secondary language and so "motor" was in common usage as a borrowed term. The land that I lived on in Illinois once belonged to the German family whose descendant was my High School German teacher. A number of the workers in my Grandfather's laboratory in Detroit spoke German.
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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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Kevin Johnson wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:31 am http://everyspec.com/ARMY/ARMY-General/ ... 055539.pdf

You might enjoy the above; extensive use is made of the term '"prime mover."
Did you find it with the Google search motor?
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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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GLHS60 wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:14 pm I got a suggestion to do a German-English translation of the M in BMW.

Interesting!!

Thanks
Randy

https://www.google.com/search?q=transla ... e&ie=UTF-8
Kevin Johnson wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:12 am


When I lived in Illinois and Michigan there were still many people that spoke German as a primary/secondary language and so "motor" was in common usage as a borrowed term. The land that I lived on in Illinois once belonged to the German family whose descendant was my High School German teacher. A number of the workers in my Grandfather's laboratory in Detroit spoke German.
The gender of the German word "Motor" is masculine (der Motor). The plural is die Motoren.

So, here are Carl Benz' German and US Patents circa 1880's; I encourage all the budding comparative linguists*:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... rwagen.pdf

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis ... 385087.pdf

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_linguistics
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Kevin Johnson wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:50 pmSo, here are Carl Benz' German and US Patents circa 1880's; I encourage all the budding comparative linguists*:
Sure but what would the inventor of the motor car know?
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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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gruntguru wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:49 pm
Kevin Johnson wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:31 am http://everyspec.com/ARMY/ARMY-General/ ... 055539.pdf

You might enjoy the above; extensive use is made of the term '"prime mover."
Did you find it with the Google search motor?
Google Suchmachine (verb suchen -- to search or look for)

https://www.google.de/search?source=hp& ... ent=psy-ab
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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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You scholars can look down your noses at our forefathers if you choose.

I respect their accomplishments even if they used an incorrect term.

History can't be changed but we can learn from it.

The motor car companies all did.

Including the German ones.

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The word "engine" is not used in German. The words motor and maschine do the job OK. https://www.linguee.com/english-german/ ... ngine.html

Similarly in English, the words motor and machine can be used for any powerplant. Motors are members of the machine family and engines are members of the motor family.
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The point is Audi, BMW and Mercedes all call their Engines -- Engines.

The learned can fudge it if they want, but the motor car companies do not.

If motor were a logical synonym, at times a motor car company would use it.

Here in North America, motor car companies use the term Engine only.

If it's logical to call an Engine a motor, General Motors would at times.

There's enough confusion with the learned, they don't want to ad to it.

To recap, who calls Engines motors? A few learned and educated.

Who never calls an Engine a motor?? Audi, BMW, Chrysler, Ford, GM

What do they all have in common?? They all make motor cars.

Why are they all called motor cars?? They all are used to motor.

What does it mean to motor?? To travel in a powered carriage.

What normally powers a powered carriage?? Normally an Engine

What occasionally powers a motor car?? Occasionally --- a---motor

Who calls Engines motors?? A few of the learned and the educated.

If motor car companies don't call Engines motors why would anyone??

Are they arrogantly looking down their noses at the less educated??

Kevin proved The Military has no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

In conclusion, there is still no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.

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Re: Charging-at-a-Distance-While-in-Motion?

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GLHS60 wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:02 am The point is Audi, BMW and Mercedes all call their Engines -- Engines.

The learned can fudge it if they want, but the motor car companies do not.

If motor were a logical synonym, at times a motor car company would use it.

...
Cough. 2018

https://patents.google.com/patent/US10380988B1/en
Noise cancellation may be employed to cancel out undesirable sounds associated with, for example, deactivating one or more cylinders of a multi-cylinder motor.

...

The desired noise cancellation signal may also be below the audible frequency range. In an example, the desired noise cancellation signal may be emitted to counteract sounds produced when cylinders of a multi-cylinder engine (not shown) are deactivated.
Oddly, all the authors listed on the patent live in Michigan; employed by GM (General Motors).

!?!!

:wink: :lol:


https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-valeri-8499096/
https://www.designnews.com/content/concert-hall-cadillac/109980178953908 wrote: ... says Scott Reilly, noise integration engineer for Cadillac's luxury car division.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericdefenderfer/
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