Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor

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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor

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Bill, are these the lobes your talking about?

If so, what lobe would you use and would you add Ex duration?

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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor

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One thing worth mentioning is those cars have hood height problems. An HP body carb with a milled choke horn help power when you're air cleaner limited. You'll know the air cleaner is right when it just starts scracthing hood a little bit. 5068 would be my choice, but the original cam picked is so close why mess with it.
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor

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Heinz1 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:57 am BILL-C,
very good info, Thank you.
Which COMP nostalgia + solid flat tappet cam kit do you recommend?

This one ? COMP Cams CL31-334-4 - COMP Cams Magnum Solid Cam and Lifter Kits

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comp 31-671-4 camshaft. I prefer to use the solid flat tappet lifters with the EDM holes in bottom.
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor

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Bill-C,
i think you recommend using this solid lifters:
Performance Series EDM Solid Lifter Set Ford 302-351W, 351C, 351-400M, 429-460

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Heinz1 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:08 pm i am building a Ford 289 Windsor engine for Historic Rally and some Street use.
The Engine must have good street driving manners.
Because of the Rules i have to use the stock Block and stock iron Cylinderheads.
I want to make around 280 Hp.

What i have:
289 Stock Block with forged Pistons
stock iron Heads, 10:1 Compression
stock iron 4V intake manifold
Holley 1460 Carburetor, 600cfm, vacuum secondary, upgraded to a secondary metering block for easy main jet changes.

Which Camshaft, Intake manifold and Carburetor would you use / recommend ?

Thank you
Heinz
For that power level it should not be a difficult chore while staying on the frugal side.

I have used many smaller chamber 289 heads, (302 4brl heads, too), and valves for a 4.2L GM V6 work very well; (1.880" intake and 1.500" exhaust). They are the correct length and have decent backsides.

A decent hydraulic cam around 227/233 @.050" with around .525" lift should work fine.
I have used a 10350703 Lunati "Voo-Doo" in a 302 many times.

The "Assault" and like brands Air-Gap, 2 plane type manifolds have slightly smaller ports than the Edelbrock manifold so, they fit the O.E.M. 289 cylinder head port dimensions better.

A recent 302 I built like that made almost 340 horsepower so, a 289 should make 285 easily.
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Thank you all,
that´s why i visit Speed Talk, good advice from knowledge people, not like our German Forums where you mainly find Desktop Tuner.
We start working on the engine next week, make our decisions which way to go and Order the parts.
For sure i will then have some more questions

@Walter R. Malik:
i have not heard from Assault, so you would use the Assault air gap intake manifold ?


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Heinz1 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:37 am Thank you all,
that´s why i visit Speed Talk, good advice from knowledge people, not like our German Forums where you mainly find Desktop Tuner.
We start working on the engine next week, make our decisions which way to go and Order the parts.
For sure i will then have some more questions

@Walter R. Malik:
i have not heard from Assault, so you would use the Assault air gap intake manifold ?
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Yes ... those type manifolds are all over Ebay for less than $200.00 US.
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Walter R. Malik wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:03 pm
Heinz1 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:37 am Thank you all,
that´s why i visit Speed Talk, good advice from knowledge people, not like our German Forums where you mainly find Desktop Tuner.
We start working on the engine next week, make our decisions which way to go and Order the parts.
For sure i will then have some more questions

@Walter R. Malik:
i have not heard from Assault, so you would use the Assault air gap intake manifold ?
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Yes ... those type manifolds are all over Ebay for less than $200.00 US.
I was just in Ebay and another brand of that smaller runner, air-gap intake is "Deepmotor".
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor

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Walter,
thanks for the Info.
Just looked at ebay, they don´t ship to Germany.
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Heinz1 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:45 am Walter,
thanks for the Info.
Just looked at ebay, they don´t ship to Germany.
Heinz
Just keep looking through Ebay ... there are several brands of this same intake and some ship there.

Right now, I see items 114489167066 or 124589983032 have shipping to a lot of countries including Germany.
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor

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Walter,
TOP, =D> i order one.
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Walter R. Malik wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:12 pm
For that power level it should not be a difficult chore while staying on the frugal side.

I have used many smaller chamber 289 heads, (302 4brl heads, too), and valves for a 4.2L GM V6 work very well; (1.880" intake and 1.500" exhaust). They are the correct length and have decent backsides.

A decent hydraulic cam around 227/233 @.050" with around .525" lift should work fine.
I have used a 10350703 Lunati "Voo-Doo" in a 302 many times.

The "Assault" and like brands Air-Gap, 2 plane type manifolds have slightly smaller ports than the Edelbrock manifold so, they fit the O.E.M. 289 cylinder head port dimensions better.

A recent 302 I built like that made almost 340 horsepower so, a 289 should make 285 easily.
I went back and looked into my past records and I was mistaken about the origin of the valves.
They originally are for a 305H.O. Chevrolet small block V8; (1.840" intake and 1.500" exhaust).
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor

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because of the Covid sh..t it took a lot longer to get the Ford 289 engine ready, now it is ready and running.

I have a Question about Ignition Timing at idle.
How do you run the Vacuum Advance, ported or direct to Manifold?
Should i run more inital Timing with ported Vacuum Advance?
For a starting point i set initial Ignition Timing at idle to 12° bTDC with ported Vacuum Advance.

With 12° bTDC and ported Vacuum Advance the engine runs hot after around 10 - 15 minutes at idle, 220°F /104°C.
When i connected the Vacuum direct to Manifold the engine run around 195 -200F, a lot cooler.

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Full (direct) vacuum advance ....... don't* use non-ported, in you application

The higher coolant temps are symptoms of retarded (late) ignition timing from using the 'ported vacuum' source

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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor

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Johnny,
looked at a Holley Carb manual and read that "Timed Vacuum Spark Source" is correct, i had "ported" in my German head.

Think you are right, timed vacuum will work best.
We will try different Timing and Carburetors settings when we do rolling Road & Road test.

Thank you
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