frnkeore wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:56 pm
I would be on board with a vintage tech section but, what would be the perimeters to it? A certain cut off year?
No cut off year.
Just use your judgement.
Anything that can no longer compete in racing, unless it's in a Nostalgia or Vintage class.
Any technology or product that is no longer used in racing or performance.
So my Porsche 928s of all years would have been in the vintage category for many years now? Never really used for competition, usually not competitive in any series if used, almost nobody develops new performance parts for them, production stopped in 1995, many spare parts now NLA from Porsche, cars look cool and were instant classics, in stock form though they lose to a brand new Honda Civic off the traffic light. So vintage?
hoffman900 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:29 pm
I think being nitpicky now is just being pedantic.
I say Mike adds it, people post in it, Mike polices it how he sees fit (it's his site now), and that will set the tone for it.
I’d want to add a description of what vintage is when many carbureted OHV gasoline engines are not considered vintage. Perhaps “more cool than fast” might be a suitable definition for vintage?
hoffman900 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:29 pm
I think being nitpicky now is just being pedantic.
I say Mike adds it, people post in it, Mike polices it how he sees fit (it's his site now), and that will set the tone for it.
I’d want to add a description of what vintage is when many carbureted OHV gasoline engines are not considered vintage. Perhaps “more cool than fast” might be a suitable definition for vintage?
A Porsche 928 engine is vintage. I can't think of a single venue it is competitive in except vintage racing.
A blank sheet carburetor design from ten years ago (Say the Ford RY45) that is still winning professional races is modern.
I'd be happier with a "Street" vs. "Competition" division, rather than "Vintage" vs. "Non-Vintage" (If "vintage" is determined by whether or not it's "competitive").
But I'm happiest with NO division beyond what's already here. I'll let the threat titles speak for themselves; if I'm interested, I'll click on them. I've learned a lot of stuff from many threads, I'd hate for the forum to get so complex that I miss stuff I might find useful.
As a technical/organizational point, I would be in favor of relatively few subforums but then having the topics/threads and posts tagged with codes that allow one to select or search for desired content. This way, a post can be about #vintage #competition with #fuelinjected #Porsche928 that will however #DNF without belonging to any granular subforum in a hierarchical system.
ptuomov wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:31 am
Isn’t the whole site about obsolete vintage technologies?
I tend to agree.
It would be redundant.
Vintage is in the eye of the beholder....or a craiglist seller.
Obsolete is in the mind of the manufacturer.
If an engine can not be competitive in an open racing class, and can only find a home in "Nostalgia Racing" classes, it's vintage.
The 350 Chevy has not be manufactured for decades, but it's still in over half the circle track race cars in the US. It's far from obsolete, and aftermarket manufacturers are still advancing that engine platform.
I think everyone can see the difference between a Ford Flathead in an old T-Bucket, and a 410" SBC Sprint Car engine.
Same for technologies. Duntov cams, and Joe Hunt Magnetos had their place, but they can't compete wit h current technology.
Who under the age of 50, has even seen a Duntov cam, or Joe Hunt magneto ?
If Sandy or some other person hasn't scrapped my old junk301 block, it should still have an old -097 cam in it.
Say, an old 4-banger sheet-metal Crosley Hot-Shot SOHC engine as well as my old Willys 6-banger that had the intake valve in the head and the exhaust valve in the block....
Packard straight-8's and Hudson Hornet 6-bangerss!!
Dad loved his Packard's and he ran the old straight-8's at like 110 mph way back in the early 50's!! The big Packard cars were like Cadillac's back then....
Back before IL had a speed limit on their crude roads..
pdq67 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:03 pm
Back again!
as well as my old Willys 6-banger that had the intake valve in the head and the exhaust valve in the block....
pdq67
I'm afraid the it was the 4 cylinder, "F" head, Willys that had the intake in the head, the 6's where flat head. I had one of each. '58, FC 150 (cab over PU, F head 4 cyl) and '56 Willys station wagon.