Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
Bill, are these the lobes your talking about?
If so, what lobe would you use and would you add Ex duration?
NOSTALGIA PLUS™ HYDRAULICS
Designed to mimic the sound of the great engines of the past while improving performance by applying today’s design
techniques, these profiles are used in our Nostalgia Plus™ Series to capture the essence of the factory muscle cars of the
60s and 70s. These profiles are slightly slower off the seat than the Xtreme Energy™ profiles but have excellent area under
the curve for outstanding power.
Camshaft Type Lobe # Rated
Duration
Duration in
Degrees Lobe Lift Tappet Lift
@ TDC
Theoretical Valve Lift @ "0" Lash
Rocker Arm Ratio
Nostalgia Plus™
Rated Duration @
.006" Tappet Lift
.842" Min. Dia.
@ .050 @ .200 106° 110° 1.5 1.6 1.7
5066 258 211 120 .284 .048 .036 .426 .454 .483
5067 265 218 124 .280 .057 .045 .420 .448 .476
5068 276 229 140 .312 .078 .064 .468 .499 .530
5069 283 236 147 .308 .088 .074 .462 .493 .524
5070 286 239 151 .322 .095 .081 .483 .515 .547
5071 293 246 157 .318 .105 .091 .477 .509 .541
If so, what lobe would you use and would you add Ex duration?
NOSTALGIA PLUS™ HYDRAULICS
Designed to mimic the sound of the great engines of the past while improving performance by applying today’s design
techniques, these profiles are used in our Nostalgia Plus™ Series to capture the essence of the factory muscle cars of the
60s and 70s. These profiles are slightly slower off the seat than the Xtreme Energy™ profiles but have excellent area under
the curve for outstanding power.
Camshaft Type Lobe # Rated
Duration
Duration in
Degrees Lobe Lift Tappet Lift
@ TDC
Theoretical Valve Lift @ "0" Lash
Rocker Arm Ratio
Nostalgia Plus™
Rated Duration @
.006" Tappet Lift
.842" Min. Dia.
@ .050 @ .200 106° 110° 1.5 1.6 1.7
5066 258 211 120 .284 .048 .036 .426 .454 .483
5067 265 218 124 .280 .057 .045 .420 .448 .476
5068 276 229 140 .312 .078 .064 .468 .499 .530
5069 283 236 147 .308 .088 .074 .462 .493 .524
5070 286 239 151 .322 .095 .081 .483 .515 .547
5071 293 246 157 .318 .105 .091 .477 .509 .541
Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
One thing worth mentioning is those cars have hood height problems. An HP body carb with a milled choke horn help power when you're air cleaner limited. You'll know the air cleaner is right when it just starts scracthing hood a little bit. 5068 would be my choice, but the original cam picked is so close why mess with it.
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
comp 31-671-4 camshaft. I prefer to use the solid flat tappet lifters with the EDM holes in bottom.
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
Bill-C,
i think you recommend using this solid lifters:
Performance Series EDM Solid Lifter Set Ford 302-351W, 351C, 351-400M, 429-460
Thank you
Heinz
i think you recommend using this solid lifters:
Performance Series EDM Solid Lifter Set Ford 302-351W, 351C, 351-400M, 429-460
Thank you
Heinz
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
For that power level it should not be a difficult chore while staying on the frugal side.Heinz1 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:08 pm i am building a Ford 289 Windsor engine for Historic Rally and some Street use.
The Engine must have good street driving manners.
Because of the Rules i have to use the stock Block and stock iron Cylinderheads.
I want to make around 280 Hp.
What i have:
289 Stock Block with forged Pistons
stock iron Heads, 10:1 Compression
stock iron 4V intake manifold
Holley 1460 Carburetor, 600cfm, vacuum secondary, upgraded to a secondary metering block for easy main jet changes.
Which Camshaft, Intake manifold and Carburetor would you use / recommend ?
Thank you
Heinz
I have used many smaller chamber 289 heads, (302 4brl heads, too), and valves for a 4.2L GM V6 work very well; (1.880" intake and 1.500" exhaust). They are the correct length and have decent backsides.
A decent hydraulic cam around 227/233 @.050" with around .525" lift should work fine.
I have used a 10350703 Lunati "Voo-Doo" in a 302 many times.
The "Assault" and like brands Air-Gap, 2 plane type manifolds have slightly smaller ports than the Edelbrock manifold so, they fit the O.E.M. 289 cylinder head port dimensions better.
A recent 302 I built like that made almost 340 horsepower so, a 289 should make 285 easily.
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
Thank you all,
that´s why i visit Speed Talk, good advice from knowledge people, not like our German Forums where you mainly find Desktop Tuner.
We start working on the engine next week, make our decisions which way to go and Order the parts.
For sure i will then have some more questions
@Walter R. Malik:
i have not heard from Assault, so you would use the Assault air gap intake manifold ?
.
that´s why i visit Speed Talk, good advice from knowledge people, not like our German Forums where you mainly find Desktop Tuner.
We start working on the engine next week, make our decisions which way to go and Order the parts.
For sure i will then have some more questions
@Walter R. Malik:
i have not heard from Assault, so you would use the Assault air gap intake manifold ?
.
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
Yes ... those type manifolds are all over Ebay for less than $200.00 US.Heinz1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:37 am Thank you all,
that´s why i visit Speed Talk, good advice from knowledge people, not like our German Forums where you mainly find Desktop Tuner.
We start working on the engine next week, make our decisions which way to go and Order the parts.
For sure i will then have some more questions
@Walter R. Malik:
i have not heard from Assault, so you would use the Assault air gap intake manifold ?
.
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
I was just in Ebay and another brand of that smaller runner, air-gap intake is "Deepmotor".Walter R. Malik wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:03 pmYes ... those type manifolds are all over Ebay for less than $200.00 US.Heinz1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:37 am Thank you all,
that´s why i visit Speed Talk, good advice from knowledge people, not like our German Forums where you mainly find Desktop Tuner.
We start working on the engine next week, make our decisions which way to go and Order the parts.
For sure i will then have some more questions
@Walter R. Malik:
i have not heard from Assault, so you would use the Assault air gap intake manifold ?
.
http://www.rmcompetition.com
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
Walter,
thanks for the Info.
Just looked at ebay, they don´t ship to Germany.
Heinz
thanks for the Info.
Just looked at ebay, they don´t ship to Germany.
Heinz
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Just keep looking through Ebay ... there are several brands of this same intake and some ship there.
Right now, I see items 114489167066 or 124589983032 have shipping to a lot of countries including Germany.
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
I went back and looked into my past records and I was mistaken about the origin of the valves.Walter R. Malik wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:12 pm
For that power level it should not be a difficult chore while staying on the frugal side.
I have used many smaller chamber 289 heads, (302 4brl heads, too), and valves for a 4.2L GM V6 work very well; (1.880" intake and 1.500" exhaust). They are the correct length and have decent backsides.
A decent hydraulic cam around 227/233 @.050" with around .525" lift should work fine.
I have used a 10350703 Lunati "Voo-Doo" in a 302 many times.
The "Assault" and like brands Air-Gap, 2 plane type manifolds have slightly smaller ports than the Edelbrock manifold so, they fit the O.E.M. 289 cylinder head port dimensions better.
A recent 302 I built like that made almost 340 horsepower so, a 289 should make 285 easily.
They originally are for a 305H.O. Chevrolet small block V8; (1.840" intake and 1.500" exhaust).
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Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
because of the Covid sh..t it took a lot longer to get the Ford 289 engine ready, now it is ready and running.
I have a Question about Ignition Timing at idle.
How do you run the Vacuum Advance, ported or direct to Manifold?
Should i run more inital Timing with ported Vacuum Advance?
For a starting point i set initial Ignition Timing at idle to 12° bTDC with ported Vacuum Advance.
With 12° bTDC and ported Vacuum Advance the engine runs hot after around 10 - 15 minutes at idle, 220°F /104°C.
When i connected the Vacuum direct to Manifold the engine run around 195 -200F, a lot cooler.
Thank you
Heinz
I have a Question about Ignition Timing at idle.
How do you run the Vacuum Advance, ported or direct to Manifold?
Should i run more inital Timing with ported Vacuum Advance?
For a starting point i set initial Ignition Timing at idle to 12° bTDC with ported Vacuum Advance.
With 12° bTDC and ported Vacuum Advance the engine runs hot after around 10 - 15 minutes at idle, 220°F /104°C.
When i connected the Vacuum direct to Manifold the engine run around 195 -200F, a lot cooler.
Thank you
Heinz
Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
Full (direct) vacuum advance ....... don't* use non-ported, in you application
The higher coolant temps are symptoms of retarded (late) ignition timing from using the 'ported vacuum' source
[*as in almost never]
The higher coolant temps are symptoms of retarded (late) ignition timing from using the 'ported vacuum' source
[*as in almost never]
Re: Ford 289 Camshaft Manifold Carburetor
Johnny,
looked at a Holley Carb manual and read that "Timed Vacuum Spark Source" is correct, i had "ported" in my German head.
Think you are right, timed vacuum will work best.
We will try different Timing and Carburetors settings when we do rolling Road & Road test.
Thank you
looked at a Holley Carb manual and read that "Timed Vacuum Spark Source" is correct, i had "ported" in my German head.
Think you are right, timed vacuum will work best.
We will try different Timing and Carburetors settings when we do rolling Road & Road test.
Thank you