Who here actually drives an EV/HYBRID?

[FC-Pilot]

But I guess we can all do the same and charge our EV's at home with a generator or put them on a trailer behind our EV's lol.

Seen that a number of times over here.

“Where’s the forest again? I can’t see it because of all these trees.”

Paul

[gunt]

see / norway or sweeden just banned ferrys carrying ev's

[71vette]

The "politics" of EV's drive me nuts, but I won't go further into that. I like how Jack Vines has found a way to enjoy his electric car. Personally the only way I'd ever consider a little ev runaround is if they were way cheaper, like $10,000 for brand new one. I work w/ state of the art batteries everyday for important transportation backup systems. These batts are very very expensive and are supposed to last 20 years. The most we get out of them is 7 years tops, but they start failing around 5 years. Also a good friend of mine his father had a business where he rebuilt forklift batteries. It can be argued over which kind of batteries poisoned him as he rebuilt all kinds but the refurbished batteries never lasted as long as new batts and he suffered a terrible decline and death that doctors couldn't quite figure out what exactly was wrong with him nor how to treat him. I'll take RENEWABLE natural oil for as long as I can. Or until Nikola's ethums are rediscovered.

[gunt]

so , over here , vw and audi have to notify the firestation when they are removing a battery , and a few i know of are stating batteries have to be remove before entering a spray booth ,
in short there will be no accident repair of these

[PackardV8]

Some here need a bit of perspective. 155 years ago, Lord Palmerston's Liberal government passed a law that, effectively stopped innovation in powered road transport in Britain for over a quarter of a century. The Locomotive Act 1865 became known as the Red Flag Act, thanks to its extraordinary stipulation that any self-propelled road vehicle had to be preceded by a person walking at least 60 yards ahead, carrying a red flag.


The Act followed intense lobbying from horse-drawn carriage operators and the public railway industry. And in a rather severe response to the dangers posed by road vehicles, the Red Flag Act also brought into force the world's first road speed limit: 4mph in the country, 2mph in towns, and a £10 fine for "speeding".

[Tom68]

Some here need a bit of perspective. 155 years ago, Lord Palmerston's Liberal government passed a law that, effectively stopped innovation in powered road transport in Britain for over a quarter of a century. The Locomotive Act 1865 became known as the Red Flag Act, thanks to its extraordinary stipulation that any self-propelled road vehicle had to be preceded by a person walking at least 60 yards ahead, carrying a red flag.


The Act followed intense lobbying from horse-drawn carriage operators and the public railway industry. And in a rather severe response to the dangers posed by road vehicles, the Red Flag Act also brought into force the world's first road speed limit: 4mph in the country, 2mph in towns, and a £10 fine for "speeding".

British Government messed up Taxable Horsepower 100 years ago to. Taxing only only bore area sent the Poms done a small bore long stroke path.

[Belgian1979]

Some here need a bit of perspective. 155 years ago, Lord Palmerston's Liberal government passed a law that, effectively stopped innovation in powered road transport in Britain for over a quarter of a century. The Locomotive Act 1865 became known as the Red Flag Act, thanks to its extraordinary stipulation that any self-propelled road vehicle had to be preceded by a person walking at least 60 yards ahead, carrying a red flag.


The Act followed intense lobbying from horse-drawn carriage operators and the public railway industry. And in a rather severe response to the dangers posed by road vehicles, the Red Flag Act also brought into force the world's first road speed limit: 4mph in the country, 2mph in towns, and a £10 fine for "speeding".

What perspective. The perspective on something that will not work? When the entire grid needs to be changed and equiped with 200 mm² 3f cables so that everyone can drive electric, we will be living in worksites all over the place for something like the next 80 years. I will not even go into a discussion about all the CO2 that the excavators, factories that produce cables to equip the residential areas, will produce.

Oh and it seems that the green church absolutely hates it when I have used the argument about how badly the grid is equiped to handle the electricity needed. I guess nobody likes it when their bubble gets busted.

[skinny z]

Oh and it seems that the green church absolutely hates it when I have used the argument about how badly the grid is equiped to handle the electricity needed. I guess nobody likes it when their bubble gets busted.

Although I'm loathe to get involved in a politically charged discussion, that little tidbit about the power grid (in so far as the territory I'm familiar with and that being Canada/US) being under capacity is very true. As an example, a state such as Texas is having a hard time today trying to keep up with increased demands placed upon it's generation and distribution network.

Same here in Canada. There's a massive, if not somewhat disjointed, push to increase generating capacity while trying achieve the "net zero Carbon" deal that's bandied about.

Want a career? Become an electrician! Or a linesman? Or anything to do with wires. It's coming if not already here.

Maybe we should look at the approach that F1 is taking regarding net zero. Higher efficiency hybrid technology on 100% sustainable fuels. I'll take one of their ICE's and several barrels of fuel to go please.

[gruntguru]

What perspective. The perspective on something that will not work? When the entire grid needs to be changed and equiped with 200 mm² 3f cables so that everyone can drive electric, we will be living in worksites all over the place for something like the next 80 years. I will not even go into a discussion about all the CO2 that the excavators, factories that produce cables to equip the residential areas, will produce.

Oh and it seems that the green church absolutely hates it when I have used the argument about how badly the grid is equiped to handle the electricity needed. I guess nobody likes it when their bubble gets busted.

The grid is sized to handle the evening peak. For 90% of the time the grid is undersized. Transition to even a 50% EV fleet will take several years. The grid can easily be scaled up in the required time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfyG6FXsUU&t=688s

[68corvette]

Lexus ct200h here.
Slow as what, but takes me to work and back at city traffic.
Its not fun at all, but costs are low and I could not use ever the 5.0s 0-60mph that I had with my previous Audi S3.

Lexus had to go and changed to Audi RS3 for a few years.. absolutely loved that car.
But due to gasoline prices and increased driving I changed to similarly priced Tesla model 3.
Tesla is really lame to drive.. smelless and tasteless, but moves from place to place.
Audi felt a much sportier, with all the noises, DSG hitting in the gears etc. it went 11.9s quarter mile.
I have managed quarter mile in 11.7s with tesla. Audi went 0-100km/h in 3.7s and Tesla 3.5s.
With audi I had to use sport gear / launch control / disable traction control to launch properly, so I had to really prepare for launching.
With tesla you just hit the electricity pedal.. no wheel slip, no noises, launch is ~0.5G compared to audis ~1G, so it feels slower.
Audi went 80-120km/h in 2.6s and Tesla just under 2s, so on the road tesla is a much faster.

I feel that tesla does it job and is a much more practical and cheaper than RS3, but it misses all the spirit.
I have noticed that I dont do launches from lights anymore as there is not similar feeling.

Charging at home makes things easier and little practical improvements like heating or cooling the car from a mobile are nice feature.
Cant say I would not miss RS3, but at this point tesla is more practial.

[Joe-71]

As a resident of Texas, the electric grid has been stressed to the max, supposedly, and I just received the highest monthly electric bill in 37 years, with no discernible difference in usage from years past. It was increased by 22% over last month which was the hottest month on record for average temperatures. To install an EV charging station here, or solar back-up, or generator would cost me in the area of 22K as a quote recently. Forget all the hype, the reality is my '21 Corolla hatch gets 45-51mpg on the highway at a steady 69-70mph with ac and 2 adults. I can drive 450 miles non stop on ~$30.00. Joe-71