SuperStock 461X 041X Heads and Dyno tests , and various Meaux Shop pictures
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534 measured HP, what time of year did you test this S/Stocker?
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SuperStock 461X 041X Heads and Dyno tests
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.... all this i found on the backside of one of Jimmy Faul's Dyno Sheets ( above Posts )
Bob Fordyce GT/DA Calais Las Vegas October 1994
#461X SBC Heads 327cid Engine
5200 Ft Density Altitude ... according to Bob Fordyce
Run : 10.31 ET at 129.99 MPH
Best Run to Date : 9.950 ET at 134.00 MPH 1.30 60Ft
other SuperStocker's using Meaux Racing Heads + Intake Manifold Porting
Dave Thompson GT/BA Las Vegas October 1994 Run : 10.12 ET
Lambeck Camaro : 10.35 ET at 128.88 MPH
Houser 10.05 ET ... Best Run to Date : 9.65 ET to 9.67 ET and 1.27 60Ft
Bob Fordyce GT/DA Calais Las Vegas October 1994
#461X SBC Heads 327cid Engine
5200 Ft Density Altitude ... according to Bob Fordyce
Run : 10.31 ET at 129.99 MPH
Best Run to Date : 9.950 ET at 134.00 MPH 1.30 60Ft
other SuperStocker's using Meaux Racing Heads + Intake Manifold Porting
Dave Thompson GT/BA Las Vegas October 1994 Run : 10.12 ET
Lambeck Camaro : 10.35 ET at 128.88 MPH
Houser 10.05 ET ... Best Run to Date : 9.65 ET to 9.67 ET and 1.27 60Ft
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Various Pictures of my Shop equipment, etc
this is when i was doing 2 Oil Company's Hot Shot Truck Engine complete Rebuilds
1 Company had BBC454 and SBC350 engines
other Company had same BBC454 and SBC350 and International Harvester 345cid V8 Engines
this is when i was doing 2 Oil Company's Hot Shot Truck Engine complete Rebuilds
1 Company had BBC454 and SBC350 engines
other Company had same BBC454 and SBC350 and International Harvester 345cid V8 Engines
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Re: SuperStock 461X 041X Heads and Dyno tests
Shift-Milling Runners to be more directly under Carb Bores
... and , tremendous amount of Welding that Holley Manifold
... Note : brand new 2nd design #034 cast-iron Bowtie Head
... and , tremendous amount of Welding that Holley Manifold
... Note : brand new 2nd design #034 cast-iron Bowtie Head
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Re: SuperStock 461X 041X Heads and Dyno tests
i converted 2 Bedrooms in my Home to 2 different Home Offices
with various Computers with Windows 10,8.0,7,Vista Operating Systems
to test my Softwares on to make sure they workout OK
Shop Office also has various Computers Win10, Win-XP, Win95, Win98 2nd Editions
the Yellow and Black colored Plastic containers , as well as Filing Cabinets
full of Flowbench and Engine Dyno tests
with various Computers with Windows 10,8.0,7,Vista Operating Systems
to test my Softwares on to make sure they workout OK
Shop Office also has various Computers Win10, Win-XP, Win95, Win98 2nd Editions
the Yellow and Black colored Plastic containers , as well as Filing Cabinets
full of Flowbench and Engine Dyno tests
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2nd Bedroom in my Home converted to Home Office
my main Programming Computers
my main Programming Computers
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I look very forward to sifting through all of this tonight, thanks for posting!
Racing a NA NHRA stocker should be mandatory before any posting.
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Re: SuperStock 461X 041X Heads and Dyno tests
Hey Larry,
Thanks for bringing back the test examples on your SB Super Stock head development. I see you posted a picture of Danny Helmer 67 SS/I Camaro. I had the chance to meet and talk with Danny at Indy US Nationals back in late 80's. Talk about a Beautiful Camaro and the attention to details. I Loved the fact that they went out of there way to lower the under of the hood temperatures by custom machine the valve covers and carb spacer of of wood "Cherry". What happen to them meaning Dad & Danny. I have noticed they don't race anymore, How come? I'm betting if they were still racing Today they would have had the first SB SS/I stick combo in the low 9:00'S to 8:90's.
Thanks Again,
Ron
Thanks for bringing back the test examples on your SB Super Stock head development. I see you posted a picture of Danny Helmer 67 SS/I Camaro. I had the chance to meet and talk with Danny at Indy US Nationals back in late 80's. Talk about a Beautiful Camaro and the attention to details. I Loved the fact that they went out of there way to lower the under of the hood temperatures by custom machine the valve covers and carb spacer of of wood "Cherry". What happen to them meaning Dad & Danny. I have noticed they don't race anymore, How come? I'm betting if they were still racing Today they would have had the first SB SS/I stick combo in the low 9:00'S to 8:90's.
Thanks Again,
Ron
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1 forgot 1 picture of all the 7 Boxes of Flowbench and Dyno tests Data i've done thru the years !
these 7 boxes in my Shop have mostly hi-end to low-end type Engine and Flow Data
whereas , the Plastic + Filing Cabinets in my Home are the much better CompElim, ProStock Car, ProStock Truck, NHRA Stockers and SuperStock
Dyno + Flowbench Data
these 7 boxes in my Shop have mostly hi-end to low-end type Engine and Flow Data
whereas , the Plastic + Filing Cabinets in my Home are the much better CompElim, ProStock Car, ProStock Truck, NHRA Stockers and SuperStock
Dyno + Flowbench Data
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Re: SuperStock 461X 041X Heads and Dyno tests
Come on Larry, why you messin with that old technology?? It's 23 degree junk.. LOL!
The people who think and say that are complete idiots. They have zero idea what this stuff is all about. zero!
Anyway, here is a Layer 041 w/2.02 on my bench. Head was crazy fast, set the record, but are now sprinklers. The curve next to it is a Edelbrock casting 2.02. The difference is pretty crazy for only a 50lb weight add!
The people who think and say that are complete idiots. They have zero idea what this stuff is all about. zero!
Anyway, here is a Layer 041 w/2.02 on my bench. Head was crazy fast, set the record, but are now sprinklers. The curve next to it is a Edelbrock casting 2.02. The difference is pretty crazy for only a 50lb weight add!
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Dave Layer 's SuperStock Heads were my greatest competition in those Days
honest true Story : ( according to Danny Helmer Sr. )
here's what Danny Helmer Sr. called me up directly from a DragStrip ( not in Division 4 ) i can't remember the NHRA Division ( i think it was in yours )
Danny had just re-set the NHRA Record 9.67 ET , and Danny said they made Danny tear-down for Legal check
NHRA Tech Guy took his Cylinder Head + along with David Layer into small building closed the Door
and did not let Danny go in with them ... Danny said they are still in there , been in there 15-20 minutes , i'll call you back with results !
Danny called me back again and said NHRA Tech Guy said your Legal and Cylinder CC's at 165 cc
Danny told the Tech Guy "ain't that whats it supposed to be"
if you knew Danny , he said things like a Comedian , but it was "Dry Humor"
its just in the way or style he said things !
by Luck, the NHRA Guy CC's the largest Intake Port volume i had out those #041X castings
i had 164.9 CC on that Intake Port the Tech CC'd ... the average of all the rest were 163.9 Intake Port CC's
that was a very close Call
the very 1st pair of Heads i did for Danny Helmer / Patterson Racing
were #462 castings , the Legal Intake Port CC's were 162.0cc max
i made them 157cc Intake Ports with Epoxy just to see what hi-velocity + good Flow CFM would do
on a 4-Speed Manual Trans Car ... Danny set his 1st Record at 9.93 ET with those #462 Heads
... by then i had just finished a series of Dyno tests with Jimmy Faul SBC SS/IA engine
with #462 at 162.0 Legal Limit -VS- #041X with 165.0 cc Legal Limit
the #041X Heads with just 3.0cc more i could use to enlarge way too fast local Port areas
made more HP than #462's + much faster down the Dragstrip too !
Division 4 Tech Guy Mr. Red Anderson told me my Heads were the most Legal he's seen so far !
i never acid-ported any of my Heads , never had to weld Exhaust Ports to make them Flow either .
honest true Story : ( according to Danny Helmer Sr. )
here's what Danny Helmer Sr. called me up directly from a DragStrip ( not in Division 4 ) i can't remember the NHRA Division ( i think it was in yours )
Danny had just re-set the NHRA Record 9.67 ET , and Danny said they made Danny tear-down for Legal check
NHRA Tech Guy took his Cylinder Head + along with David Layer into small building closed the Door
and did not let Danny go in with them ... Danny said they are still in there , been in there 15-20 minutes , i'll call you back with results !
Danny called me back again and said NHRA Tech Guy said your Legal and Cylinder CC's at 165 cc
Danny told the Tech Guy "ain't that whats it supposed to be"
if you knew Danny , he said things like a Comedian , but it was "Dry Humor"
its just in the way or style he said things !
by Luck, the NHRA Guy CC's the largest Intake Port volume i had out those #041X castings
i had 164.9 CC on that Intake Port the Tech CC'd ... the average of all the rest were 163.9 Intake Port CC's
that was a very close Call
the very 1st pair of Heads i did for Danny Helmer / Patterson Racing
were #462 castings , the Legal Intake Port CC's were 162.0cc max
i made them 157cc Intake Ports with Epoxy just to see what hi-velocity + good Flow CFM would do
on a 4-Speed Manual Trans Car ... Danny set his 1st Record at 9.93 ET with those #462 Heads
... by then i had just finished a series of Dyno tests with Jimmy Faul SBC SS/IA engine
with #462 at 162.0 Legal Limit -VS- #041X with 165.0 cc Legal Limit
the #041X Heads with just 3.0cc more i could use to enlarge way too fast local Port areas
made more HP than #462's + much faster down the Dragstrip too !
Division 4 Tech Guy Mr. Red Anderson told me my Heads were the most Legal he's seen so far !
i never acid-ported any of my Heads , never had to weld Exhaust Ports to make them Flow either .
Re: SuperStock 461X 041X Heads and Dyno tests
How did he get the .200 number and 210 @ .300 lift, your analysis pleaseSpeierRacingHeads wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:35 pm Come on Larry, why you messin with that old technology?? It's 23 degree junk.. LOL!
The people who think and say that are complete idiots. They have zero idea what this stuff is all about. zero!
Anyway, here is a Layer 041 w/2.02 on my bench. Head was crazy fast, set the record, but are now sprinklers. The curve next to it is a Edelbrock casting 2.02. The difference is pretty crazy for only a 50lb weight add!
Racing a NA NHRA stocker should be mandatory before any posting.
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"Shout out to all these Head Porters and their YouTube Videos"
Eric Weingartner
Double Hump SBC Flow Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_SAr2Dju8Y
Speier Racing Heads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaIPvX3VlQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rsj0K1QmkU
The MBE Group / Jimmy Biggs
https://www.youtube.com/@jimmybiggs4674/videos
David Vizard
https://www.youtube.com/user/DavidVizard/videos
i purchased this David Vizard brand new Book early on, so very many years ago,
its mostly worn out now ... falling apart , i read so many times way back then !
i think it might be David Vizard's 1st Book ???
Charles Servedio cylinder head porting & flowbench
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN-tYC ... o7w/videos
Eric Weingartner
Double Hump SBC Flow Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_SAr2Dju8Y
Speier Racing Heads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaIPvX3VlQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rsj0K1QmkU
The MBE Group / Jimmy Biggs
https://www.youtube.com/@jimmybiggs4674/videos
David Vizard
https://www.youtube.com/user/DavidVizard/videos
i purchased this David Vizard brand new Book early on, so very many years ago,
its mostly worn out now ... falling apart , i read so many times way back then !
i think it might be David Vizard's 1st Book ???
Charles Servedio cylinder head porting & flowbench
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN-tYC ... o7w/videos
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Re: SuperStock 461X 041X Heads and Dyno tests
Great, I'll take it. The whole top end. Who do I make the cheque out to..? Can also do Venmo...maxracesoftware wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:27 pm Shift-Milling Runners to be more directly under Carb Bores
... and , tremendous amount of Welding that Holley Manifold
... Note : brand new 2nd design #034 cast-iron Bowtie Head
HolleyTunnelRam1.jpg
MillingWeldedHolleyManifoldJC1.jpg
MillingWeldedHolleyManifoldJC2.jpg